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Commento di 11695

If this is a real talent, that will be in the release of WotlK, I'm having trouble seeing what it would be good for. It's not good enough to be a end tier talent.

Edit: Just thought about something. What if it renews your Frostbite, Frost Nova and Winter's Grasp. Now that would be great :P

Commento di Naenthos

1) It's (would be if implemented) the first stun for frost mages. Unlike slowing and freezing effects, stuns interrupt.

2) It has a decent range - 30 (36 with Arctic Reach), it costs not too much with the mana-decreasing talents, has a 30 sec. cooldown which can be diminished by frost talents and it's casting time is 1.5 sec.. which can be diminished by using Icy Veins.

So, as a matter of fact, it's pretty dang useful. And I didn't even mention the fact that it lasting five seconds is major if you add to that the many slows frost mages already have.

Commento di 175408

Considering the fact that many classes get a lot of either stun resistance or stun time reduction and other classes even immunities etc (and IF you however manage to deep freeze the target don't forget the pvp trinket or dispelling). I still think this ability is very lackluster. Could might as well be trainable.

And PvE-wise I don't really see the use for it either. A 5 sec stun on mobs who aren't immune isn't really gonna make a lot of difference. I bet it's nice when you solo at least, though hardly essential or mind blowing. :).

However if everything goes as planned, and you pull a deep freeze off on someone in PvP flawlessly (:O), 3 Ice lance crits will hopefully take down a large chunk of their health and you can move and gain distance while you do it if you need to :).

And by the way you have to remember that this skill will probably be impossible to cast at all while you're taking damage (i.e. the time you wanna cast it the most, on a frostbite proc for example), without icy veins. Excluding this as a very good espace tool.
It is now instant cast, so this shouldn't be so much of a problem.

Commento di KuniZyrekai

What everyone seems to be missing is that it appears to be stun coupled with a freeze effect. Stuns don't break on damage and it should give you the time to get 3-4 crits off on a target, even in a party where frostbite usually doesn't last long enough to get a frostbolt off.

Paired with cold snap, this could be very deadly in PvP.

Commento di Archdmon

Stunned and Frozen

unlike Frost nova and Frostbite it wont break on damage, you can get 4 ice lances in a Deep Freeze..mayor shatters damage. Not to mention it will interrupt casting, this can make warlocks a bit easier to handle.

Commento di 131545

Not to mention it will interrupt casting, this can make warlocks a bit easier to handle.

wel from my point of view warlock wont be that much easyer to handle especilly the destro ones... cause mages use mana shield and ice barier but now warlocks have something togo through this protection ( chaos bolt ) so dont get to excited

Commento di Benegesserit

A 1.5 second cast time for an interrupt is far from impressive, so best not to think of it that way.

Commento di 177661

If u have not noticed, the target must be already frozen. This is a disadvantage as u can not cast it on any occasion

Commento di 55952

This spell was tweaked a lot in beta, before its current state. At first, it was the same spell as currently, but with a 1.5 second cast time, making it extremely difficult to use in any situation. Then, it was made instant, and also did about 1.5k damage! Effectively, it would replace Ice Lance whenever it's off cooldown. Instead of Frostbolt to Ice Lance, we could do Frostbolt to Deep Freeze for even more damage, plus a 5 second stun for even more shatter damage. The combo Frost Nova -> Frostbolt -> Deep Freeze -> Frostbolt -> 2x Ice Lance (using haste) would be possibly up to 20k damage.

In PvP, of course, this sequence would be rare to pull off perfectly. Still, Frost Nova to a quick Deep Freeze, followed by Frostbolts or Ice Lance spam, would be huge burst damage. As it stood, it was very much worth the 51 talent points.

With Wrath looming on the horizon, the spell was changed to its current state. This spell is still instant cast, but does no damage. Meaning that instead of being the improved Shatter combo, it's worthless in PvE and marginal in PvP.

PvE: Even with Fingers of Frost to encourage Shatter combos against freeze-immune mobs (raids), there is NEVER any reason to use Deep Freeze, as it does no damage. Against mobs that are vulnerable to freezes (5-mans), there will be so much incoming damage that the initial freeze will probably not hold for the 1.5 sec GCD. And in solo, well, mobs will be falling over so quickly that it won't matter much anyway.

PvP: The ideal situation remains Frost Nova/Freeze -> Frostbolt -> Deep Freeze -> ~~Frostbolt -> Ice Lance~~ 3x Ice Lance (after further testing). Losing the Deep Freeze damage, however, severely hurts the burst damage potential of this combo, which is already hampered by resilience. There will still be the potential for massive burst, but unlike before where one could often times kill an opponent straight away with it if all spells crit, they will probably be left with 20-30% health, and you will be hard-pressed to finish them off, seeing as you just popped all your cooldowns to pull off this combo.

Another important point in both PvP and PvE is that it shares diminishing returns with all stuns, so if you've got any rogue, warrior, paladin, any class that can stun (which is most), this spell will last for only barely longer, often times shorter than the 1.5 second GCD you used to cast it.

Final thoughts: This talent is garbage now, only being somewhat effective in PvP. It is laughable, that Frost Mages who spec for raiding will actually skip the Frost 51-point talent. "By a factor of two" indeed.

Commento di Archdmon

It now has an added instant damage part to it.
It appears to be that this talent does indeed keep the target stunned AND frozen for lol shatter damage. Not to mention, since the talent itself requires the target to be frozen in the first place, it is almost a guaranteed crit for 1500 before spellpower, and after that 5 secs of "secured" frozen target. This is full of win even with cast time.

Commento di Spiderkeg

Will this spell affect bosses? Since bosses cannot frozen or rooted, per se, by frost spells like normal mobs how will this spell work? Is this spell mostly geared towards PvP?

Commento di 217333

hey guys I think this is a great talent for frost mages (especially in pvp)l! Mana costs in short fights (expecting a rogue in a 2vs2 team) are really not to mention but the great thing is that this is an instant cast! 3 possibilitys to use it:
1. Just start withi a nova and then use it
2. When your target is affectet by fingers of frost
and 3. Just after casting a nova with your elemental (and this is the best way I think)

I would use it following way to create the greatest burst dmg vs your opponents (in pvp):
1. Nova (elemental)
2. Frosbolt - Deep-Freeze combination (after activation of all dmg increasing possibilitys)
3. 1/2 Frostbolts (expending on the stun resistance of the target) and an ice lance just after it (typical shatter combo)
________________(dmg combo without a partner)____________
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Now if you have a rogue in your 2vs2 team you can create a deadly long holding stun (and counterspell) rotation ...
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Just after theese 3 steps your rogue stuns the target (for about 8 sec) and makes dmg of course as mutch as he can .. in this time you (just after ending the GCD of your ice lance) you blink to the very front of your nuke target and doing a nova ..GCD.. and now you do again as much dmg as you can (like some frostbolts and an ice lance after) __ Now your target gets out of the rogue's stunlock and exactly at this moment you counterspell your target (for further almost 4 sec) and just finish your target
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Do draw a conclusion with this new ability (deep freeze) you can do huge burst dmg without (vs healer) your opponnent cannot heal hisself not a bit cause he is either silenced or stunned.
Of course in practice this won't be always that perfect (e.g. the target is using his medaillon but also this you can calculate what has the effect that your rotation maybe is a bit shorter than without) or if the other opponent (let's take a warrior) attacks you but it would be easy game for a rogue/mage team to cc a warrior whole the team.
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I think it is a real great new talent for pvp mages at all and you musn't complain about cause this is the new upgrade for us mages that we waitet for for a very long time and which will give us the strenght in pvp again!

Commento di 170735

blizzard is really fine tuning this spell:P first it has a 1.5 sec cast... than its insta and deals a great deal of damage... and now they suddenly change it to being an instant freeze with totally NO dmg... whattthaa !@#$:D

Commento di 89922

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10971907483&sid=2000

based on that forum post... 10% and 30% haste values are obviously going to be key points

I spent a bunch of time working numbers on spell haste, just being OCD and wanting to get the right decimal value, pretty sure 37.28 haste per 1% is about right... I dunno if this has already been calced out by ppl that are better at math than me yet or not though, didn't bother to check around. (BTW, these numbers are for lvl 80)

To scale deep freeze to the 10% point with icy veins you need 0 haste rating, to get it to 30% with icy veins you need 311 haste rating, to scale it to the 10% without icy veins you'd need 373 haste rating. If you want to get it higher... the formula is 37.28 * %haste, so 30% point without icy veins would be 1119... have fun with that :)

I personally like the 373 rating the most, it's not to difficult to obtain, and it pretty well maximizes your generic use of deep freeze, and if you want to use your icy veins cooldown you can get a bit more dmg out of it :)

Commento di 222007

Mages can Blink out of this. Tested and confirmed by dueling other mages on LIVE server 3.0.2.

Commento di 163698

Is it just me or does the stun part not completely work. If i cast this when beside the target it can still hit me. True that mobs don't cast spells but melee does not appear to be affected.

Commento di 116979

Stacking haste makes this shine. Because experienced players will use countermeasures to break freeze-effects during your 2 excruciating seconds of GCD.

Commento di 4068

You are able to cast Deep Freeze on any target that is not frozen if you have the Fingers of Frost buff up. Also, targets that are stunned with Deep Freeze are considered frozen from my experience with it. I find it very useful; I use it to stun a target when I have Fingers of Frost or they're frozen with Frost Bite. I am able to get three Ice Lances off that all treat the target as frozen.

Commento di 111622

If you use this, on a Flight Master, he/she will not spawn their flyers after you. Make sure you have Fingers of Frost active though.

Commento di Kennit

I have never played a mage at a high level, but even I can see that this talent is very underwelming compared to other 51-Point talents.

For instance, Titan's Grip vs Deep Freeze. Titan's Grip causes awesome DPS at no penalty. Deep Freeze stuns the target for 5 seconds, and is only usable on frozen targets. In addition, the Fury warrior tree has a talent that allows you to (I believe) break free of that stun. (Not entirely sure on mechanics of Heroic Fury)

A number of classes/races have spells that lower stun time/completely remove stuns, not to mention the PvP trinket.

Perhaps an effect that prevents this from being dispelled, or even something similar to unstable affliction, so that if this effect is removed/resisted the player/mob that removed/resisted the effect will take some frost damage depending on the time the stun had left. (5 seconds = 2000 damage at max rank, 4 seconds = 1500... etc etc)

Commento di 78037

Why hasn't anyone mentioned that this ability is bugged as hell? It's usable 2seconds AFTER you dispel the freezing effect. I've been deep frozen out of nowhere so many times now that I can't even count. And it's no lag issue, I assure you.

Commento di thecomicrelief

PvP: The ideal situation remains Frost Nova/Freeze -> Frostbolt -> Deep Freeze -> Frostbolt -> Ice Lance 3x Ice Lance (after further testing). Losing the Deep Freeze damage, however, severely hurts the burst damage potential of this combo, which is already hampered by resilience. There will still be the potential for massive burst, but unlike before where one could often times kill an opponent straight away with it if all spells crit, they will probably be left with 20-30% health, and you will be hard-pressed to finish them off, seeing as you just popped all your cooldowns to pull off this combo.

If I read this right, you're basically saying that our 51pt talent on a 30 second CD, should be able to 100%-0% an opponent in pvp, while they are stunned and unable to do anything to prevent it. After this combo, you should still have plenty of freezes at your disposal in order to finish your opponent, as well as plenty of other instant cast damage.

I think playing a mage has made many people unaware of the power of a stun. Being able to escape stuns every 15 seconds is an advantage nobody else has, and many people would kill for.

I can see the point of view of the PVE mage as well. This talent isn't a raid or even 5man talent. But in PVP and solo environments it is very tough.

Commento di 116979

Frost damage in pvp is weak, this should do damage as well.

Commento di 92752

do they still count as being "frozen" after the stun takes effect?

Commento di 221625

getting a buff in 3.3

Mage

* Deep Freeze: This spell now deals a large amount of damage to targets permanently immune to stuns.

Commento di RogueLeader

Certain non-boss mobs appear to fall into the "permanently immune to stuns" category as well.

Spell coefficient reported to be approximately 7.5/3.5, or 214.3%. Ouch.

Tested on Chillmaw, 20k crit in full tier 8. Can't imagine the complaints if it worked on players.

Commento di mouseno4

I just did normal nexus as a human frost mage. As a level 73 Deep Dreeze mage, it crit EVERY time between 9.1k and 11.9k. Only the one time did it crit below 10k and iirc that was either a frost resistant target/spell damage resistant target. Which is outrageous dps for a frost mage of level 73. That is until you realise how rare your actually casting it.

Fingers of Frost is only 15% of each frostbolt. And even then Deep Freeze is on a 30 second cooldown. In all of nexus, the times FoF procced whilst i was dpsing a stun immune target, was a grand total of 16 times for the entire instance i was able to cast DF for damage instead of freezing the target.

Commento di 258919

If you're a PvP frost mage, this spell is your lifeline in 1v1 showdowns, as it gives you all the benefits of freezing an enemy without a damage cap before the freeze breaks, and also stuns them. It is the basis for max burst damage.
I usually cast a couple frostbolts to slow my adversary down.
If I proc FoF, I cast frostbolt once more if able and then Deep Freeze. If I freeze them, I cast Deep Freeze immediately.

Facing Meleers; After they are frozen, you can get up to 3 ice lances in for max damage on them, get at a safe distance, and frostbolt spam them to death. If they try to approach you, use your Water Elemental's special ability to stop them in their tracks and move back some. By the time they reach you, they should be weak enough to be finished with Cone of Cold and/or Fire Blast.

Facing Casters; I'm not quite sure how effective walking back would be, seeing as range is not an issue. Therefore, you may want to consider popping Icy Veins and frostbolt spamming at a closer range to max your dps (throw in an Ice Lance if you don't have time for another bolt before the freeze wears off). After they thaw out, you'll have to rely on blinking, counterspell, and maybe even a polymorph or two to keep you alive.

In short, it's a superb weapon against meleers and a decent weapon against other casters. For one talent point, no serious PvP frost mage should miss this.

As for PvE, this spell was once useless in a raiding situation, but in 3.3 it now does a significant amount of damage to enemies who are immune (basically, every raid enemy and most 5 man enemies). While it may not bring frost to the damage level of Arcane, it definitely is a step towards some serious DPS from this spec.

Commento di 233296

It's worth mentioning that Deep Freeze Does NOT work on the taret dummies. I wanted to test this on a target dummy and while it does hit and do a small ammount of damage it doesn't have the same effect as casting it on a "stun immune" target. I switched over to my pvp frost spec for the 4th boss of ICC to get the extra slow effect on the adds you have to pull in that fight. While dpsing the boss I saw Deep Freeze come up and decided to give it a try and BAM! 27K hit! I'm impressed, but still not sure if it merits using frost for raiding.

Commento di 87957

If anything, this damage change helps to move mages from the boring, continuous process of a rotation to a some-what priority based cast sequence. As such, when each buff procs, you must use the highest priority spell for that particular buff. I would imagine the priority for buff procs would be Deep Freeze -> Frost Bolt -> Fire Ball -> Ice Lance. By that I mean, if you get Brain Freeze and Fingers of Frost at the same time (and Deep Freeze is on cooldown), it would be better for two frostbolts or a frost bolt and an fireball than a frostbolt and an ice lance. It's strange, and different than melee DPS priority systems, which are built around cooldowns, but it makes it more interesting than a strait rotation. (Different in the sense that it is built around ability procs and cooldowns at the same time)
Going from the highest DPS Arcane build to this, I can safely say that it is much more interesting and fun. Arcane is almost pure rotation, and a change to a slight priority system is fun, even at the cost of around a 1.5k (or more) DPS loss.
I can also say that I have never, EVER gone lower than 75% mana on a boss fight with frost.

Edited to make things bold and cool looking and stuff because I was bored.

Commento di Willemstyle

I found this spell very useful in duels, especially when your water elemental is up.

When you freeze the target, you have 5 seconds (minus 1.5sec global cooldown) free play time on a frozen opponent, allowing you to launch atleast 3 times ice lance with full damage. While doing this, your water elemental keeps attacking the opponent too, resulting in a nice overall damage output for these five seconds.

Remember, this spell has a very small cooldown. Use it as often as you can.

Highly recommended in combo with the shatter talents.

Commento di 136306

pretty sure that what iam gonna say is wrong, but ill make sure anyways.

If you use this spell on a DK while his 20% increase armor + stun immunity spell, does the damage proc?
Since the tooltip says on "permanently immune to stuns." in this case its temporarily immune.

Thank you

Edit: Icebound Fortitude is the DK spell iam asking about (https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=48792)

Commento di 230590

quite ridiculous amount of damage against bosses for a 30sec instant ability, definitely worth using every time you get fingers of frost if you decide to try raiding as frost

base damage may be 1700ish, but the coefficient is around 215%, getting in the range of 20k+ crits easy

and it crits near 100% regardless since the only time its up you would also benefit from shatter lol

Commento di 525750

As an guide for low-level mages wondering whether or not to get this, or for someone who just picked it up at 60, I just fought Arazzius the Cruel in a group on my 61 mage. My frostbolt was critting for ~1800 damage, but this spell crit for around 5k.

Commento di 370864

Your Fingers of Frost charges will not be consumed if your target is under the effects of Deep Freeze.

Commento di jtunis

I think the tooltip for this spell (or even the basic mechanic behind it) could use a little tweaking. To me, right off the bat, it seemed confusing.

When I first read the tooltip, The way I came to understand it was that targets which were permanently immune to stuns (ex. Bosses) would take damage, and targets that weren't permanently immune to stuns (ex. trash mobs, players) would be frozen.

However, that's not the way it works. Bosses that are permanently immune to stuns obviously are also permanently immune to slowing effects like Chill, meaning they're also immune rooting effects like Frozen. In other words, from reading the DF tooltip alone, you'd think that it couldn't be used on bosses, simply because you can't freeze bosses. But, you can, sort of. The only way for Deep Freeze to work on bosses is if you have the Fingers of Frost proc up, which treats your spells as if the target were frozen. Fingers of Frost will allow you to use Deep Freeze on a (now) frozen target, which otherwise couldn't have been frozen.

Whew, what a mouth full. Yeah, overall, I think Deep Freeze could use just a minor tweak in terms of basic operation.

Deep Freeze's damage portion should only require that the target to be immune to stuns; not be immune to stuns and still require the target to be frozen. NPCs that are immune to stuns will also be immune to root effects like frozen, but we've got a 15% chance proc to bypass the second requirement.

Ugh, it's almost like the spell has to many requirements to function.

Commento di 375488

Im not sure if this is happening to anyone else but its not letting me use it when I want to on a target immune to stuns, Bosses are obviously immune and it lights up sometimes during fights against them but it is largely grayed out

Commento di 318094

I like Deep Freeze in PvE. Though its cooldown and dependence on another proc make it a bit frustrating (just a little) in pve raiding, it has an excellent blend of utility to it that makes it hard to resist.

Obviously it is a very sexy BOOMstick when it hits that boss and it CRITS that boss, but there are quite a few uses in raiding situations that make it better.

Group struggling to control an add and frost nova on cooldown? The ability that was once shirked because all it did was stun can now stun when it counts or damage when it counts. So that pesky Bloodbeast is pecking at a healer, eh? Fingers of Frost up from across the room, eh? Congratulations, you've just made a Bloodbeast's life 2 times and 5 seconds colder, providing you a few seconds' burst or at the very least a chance to provide the healer an escape path. Deformed Fanatic blazing a trail your way? Slowing effects in place and good distance? BOOM! Added burst for quick add killing and divine punishment for it now being immune to stuns.

Then there's the beauty of the no-look BOOM! Due to Deep Freeze's previous nature, it seems to have retained a certain property of its use. Unlike, say, Ice Lance--which you would use occasionally--or Fire Blast--which you would use rarely--Deep Freeze can be cast even when you aren't looking at your target. This means that no matter what direction you are facing or what target you are killing, your biggest single-target burst (or your trusty single-target stun) can be used while you are running away from your current target or cast on your true target while you are distracted by an add/minion/flunky/whatever. This means that if you've got adds under control but are still busy wrapping them up, you can pop a quick 20-30k burst on the boss and continue going about your business.

As I said, the only thing I might not like about it is its long cooldown and the possibility that it won't be immediately available for use once said cooldown wears off. But I love it all the same. Too much, actually. I've had to seek therapy for this unhealthy love of mine. True story.

Commento di Jaadis

Why is it that i can't use deep freeze on some bosses even in same instance? And even when i can it sort of procs available after some time, so it is never usable straight from start or even after first few frostbolts... random i say, or severely bugged.

There was rogue in group so i don't know if some slowing effect is overwriting "chill" effect or something weird.

Instance was Slave Pens normal at level 64 but it behaves like i wrote above in all instances.

Edit: What i also can do with this spell is; fighting a normal world mob and make Deep Freeze come "usable". Finish mob off and can even let combat go off. Then pull new mob with Deep Freeze (stuns) totally with no chill effects whatsoever.

Edit2: It seems like Deep Freeze requires fingers of frost to be active.

Commento di 394063

Let me be the first to say, that's nearly a perfect screenshot.

Collegamenti

Deep Freeze

Deep Freeze

Talento

9% della base mana	Portata di 30 m

Istantaneo	30 s di recupero

Stuns the target for 5 sec. Only usable on Frozen targets. Deals [1469 * ((((1))) * (1))] to [1741 * ((((1))) * (1))] damage to targets permanently immune to stuns.

Beneficio

Deep Freeze	Magic

Stunned and Frozen.
5 secondi rimanenti

Dettagli dell'incantesimo

Durata

5 secondi

Scuola

Gelo

Meccanica

n/d

Tipo di Dissipare

Magia

Categoria GCD

Normale

Costo

9% della base mana

Portata

30 metri (Medium)

Tempo di lancio

Istantaneo

Recupero

30 secondi

GCD

1.5 secondi

Effetto

Apply Aura: Stun
Meccanica: Avere Stordire
[PVP Multiplier: ]1

Variabili

Non Può Essere Utilizzato Mentre Trasformare
[Do Not Sheath]
[Combat Feedback When Usable]
[Taps immediately]

Deep Freeze

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Dettagli dell'incantesimo

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