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Commento di MeanMachine

Interesting spell. At the moment it seems most cost->damage efficient one for shamans, even disregarding the side effect. It will most certainly be used, trust me on that one.

Which spec benefits from it? Elemental immediately comes to mind, but enhancement will have a good use for it as well, due to Maelstrom Weapon. I did some explanation for how beneficial would it be for enh shamans under Maelstrom Weapon's description, so let's focus on elemental.

What good is this for the elemental shaman?
Well, it recieves buffs from Convection, Concussion and Call of Flame, which will surely cause it to deal formidable damage. And what about the consuming effect? Well, this rotation would be interesting to try out:

Flame Shock
Lightning Bolt x4
Lava Burst

It would take a total of 11.5 seconds, losing Flame Shock's last tick, but ensuring a Lava Burst crit, unless resisted.

I know this will subject to a lot more theorycrafting, but whatever the top damage end result is, I'm sure that this spell will be useful. Besides, it brings some variety to the constant lightning spam, what's not to love?

Commento di 73706

From an enhancement perspective, this ability will be in full use and will probably mean earth shock will get far less use than it does now. Flame shock will probably become the shock of choice simply to get this ability to crit. The use of this ability with a flame shock up guarantees an elemental devastation proc, which means 9% more crit for your melee strikes. Given how high crit chances are currently in TBC, one can hope, and maybe assume, that well geared enchancement shamans will be at at least 30% crit when well geared. That means 39% crit with elemental devastation up, and even higher with the new strength of earth totem in range. Assuming that gets you get near a 43-47% melee crit, that means that with 5/5 maelstrom weapon you should be tossing out instant cast lava bursts and chain lightnings every couple seconds. This all means that shamans should continue to have the best burst in the game and enhancement shamans will be potentially the strongest of all dpsing hybrids.

Looking at the talents and skills today really makes me glad I rolled a shaman recently. The shear amount of ass-kicking shamans should do when the expac patch hits is evident everywhere in the talents and other changes. Honestly, and I don't know where else to state this, I am kind of sad to see shield spec go. Using a shield when being attacked was a great way to get an advantage against another melee enemy. Sure you can still use a shield, but the improved version of the talent from the alpha is gone. I'd trade earth's grasp for it any day.

Commento di Robyn

At least it is in a non-nature damage school... that'll make things a bit easier for my Ele shammy against nature-resist bosses ;)

Commento di 112924

Well to all the Elemental shamans out there, the flame shock can be a rank 1 so u can say free crit at no mana cost ( almost )
and enhancement shaman tactic with maelstrom gonna be chaotic in arenas due to the new wf totem (20% haste with imp wf totem)
imagine wf procs, flurry, crits, damage and when u land stormstrike an instant lighting bolt which will still do damage (not as much as elemental ) and can be like the finish moves rogues use,so 5-charged Maelstrom = the boost of this expansion

(note that i am an elemental shaman myself and i don't tend usually to specc enhancement i am just theorycrafting here)

Commento di Crazy1337

Maelstrom Weapon + Flame Shock + Lava Burst = FTW!

Commento di 52329

The end of Stormstrike-> Earthshock spamming?

Maybe,even so, the +20% Nature damage bonus on the target will still have its uses.Improved Stormstrike will lower the cooldown to 4 seconds and increase the debuff charges to 4.And with a 12 second duration on a Stormstrike effect,there are a few other classes that could benefit from the nature increase:

-balance druids using Wrath or even Typhoon
-elemental shamans using Lightning,Chain Lightning or Thunderstorm
-marksmanship hunters using https://www.wowhead.com/cata/spell=53209 on a target affected by Serpent Sting
-rogues using Envenom

Of course,where on single targets it is efficient to use the flame shock->lava burst combo,but to increase your DPS even more with a limited burst of AOE damage,don`t forget the possibility of using your Maelstrom buildup on a instant Chain Lightning immediately after the Stormstrike.

However,two main problems must be dealt with regarding Enhancement: mana efficiency and aggro control.On paper,melee shamans look like crit machines now,but i get the feeling their damage output could lead to severely high threat.This must be resolved somehow,either by inate threat reduction,itemization or tank threat-generation buffing.

Commento di 95537

I'm not sure how this will work, but hopefully a rotation of:

Chain lightning - Lightning bolt - Lightning bolt - Flame shock rank 1 - Lava burst

If flame shock rank 1 does proc the critical effect of lava burst, it will ensure the highest mana efficiency rotation as chain lightning and likely the next few hits will cost 40% less mana.

On the other hand the higher damage would be :

Flame shock - Chain lightning - Lightning bolt - Lightning bolt - Lava burst

Of course, theories, so please don't rank me down or quote me on it :P Happy facepwning

Commento di 167317

Perhaps im the first one to notice this but Lava Burst has a 30 yrd range, and with the Flame Shock glyph it will also have a 30 yrd range, which in essence makes the Storm Reach talent pretty useless unless you count the extra 3 yard radius on Thunderstorm. I personaly have an elemental shaman as my main and have been ever since I can remember, and hes a troll so before BC aswell. But if blizzard wants us to try a new FS/LB/LB/LB/LB/LavaB rotation, their going to have to fix the storm reach talent or were just gona be stuck at 30 yard range. :(

*EDIT*: spelling.

Commento di 50449

Um, no horde trainer?

Commento di yanini

22% of base mana.....
the worst thing that they could do to us... again :(

Commento di supertao

From reading everything here and studying it... I must say, this skill is hot (and not just because its lava).

Commento di 118811

Lava Burst / Chain Lightning

Rank 1/1 / Rank 8/8
10% base mana or 655 mana / 26% base mana
30 yd range / 30/33/36 yd range
2/1.5 sec. cast / 2/1.5 sec. cast
8 sec. cd / 6 sec. cd
1082-1328 Fire / 973-1111 Nature
crits if FS's on, consuming it / hits up to 3 targets, 30% lower dmg each
---talent bonuses---
- 2/4/6/8/10 % mana cost / - 2/4/6/8/10 % mana cost
+ 1/2/3/4/5 % dmg & + 2/4/6 % dmg / + 1/2/3/4/5 % dmg & chance to do 50% bonus dmg which may crit
+5% crit / +5% crit & + 1/2/3/4/5 % crit
+100% bonus crit dmg & + 6/12/24 % bonus crit dmg / + 100% bonus crit dmg

Commento di 167317

For some reason my computer is acting up and wont let me post on the auctual beta forums. So could someone do me a favor and post someting in reference to the fact that we will have 36yrd LB/CL and 35yrd FlameShock (Talented ofc) but yet LvB is still at 30 yard range. So it pretty much makes the Storm Reach talent useless. But yeah i really wana get an idea on the direction of this so any help would be appriciated. thanks.

Commento di 178827

Hmmm now Lava Flows increases Flame Shock's range to 35 yards. Brilliant, now elementals can put FS on target from maximum range, then windup Lava Burst, and win. If the enemy survives those 15 yards of death incarnate and gets in 20 yard range, you'll already have Frost or Earth shock ready if need be. In raids however, Lava Burst has still 30 yard range and that means we have to stand there, way too close to the boss (many boss AoE abilities have 30 yard radius). What I'm thinking of is, that now FS has 35 yard elemental range, either make Lava Burst benefit from Storm Reach (thus making the talent name innapropriate:P) or modify the base range to 35 yards (Fireball is 35 base, so why not?). This way every elemental can feel a lot safer, while only being 4 or 5 yards further away from that ugly guy crushing the main tank.

Commento di 219052

As an enhancement shaman, I am sure that this will be at least the enhancement shaman's third highest damage spell, and I think it might even steal Windfury's spot at no. 2 on the list.
With the Concussion talent (elemental) you'll get 5% more damage with Lava Burst.
After that, the talent Call of Flame will increase it's damage done by 6% (6% of 105% = 6.3%) So Lava Burst will then do 111.3% of it's normal damage. With Stormstrike, the damage will be increased by 20% of 111.3% (Which is 22.26%). Lava Burst will now do 133.56% of it's normal damage. With some spelldamage, which with 3/3 Mental Quickness (enhancement) is increased by 30% of your Attack Power, it will deal pretty much damage, even when it not crits. But with Flame Shock applied to the target it WILL crit, and then we've got the lovely elemental talent, Elemental Fury. Spec 5/5 in it, and you'll reach some quite insane numbers with Lava Burst.
I found a perfect spec for this, for a PvE shaman, but sadly I don't know how to link stuff into the forum.

Commento di 178571

Patch 3.0.2 Lava Burst

Shaman: The tooltip for Maelstrom Weapon is currently incorrect. Lavaburst will no longer gain any benefit from any rank of Maelstrom Weapon.

Lava Burst just got nerfed

Commento di 233081

And there's the popular trend of Enhancement shammie's going 0/48/13 to get the 3% hit rating talent from Restoration.

Maybe this might give Enhancement/elemental combat shaman's an edge up on enhancement/restoration shamans...

The 3% hitrating talent has been removed and the substitutes are Tidal Force and Improved Water Shield

so the right dps build for enhancement will be 8/63/0 (in WotLK)
or 11/60/0 so you benifit from Elemental Focus

ps: ofcourse you can still put points in resto for cheaper totems or just preference

Commento di 230679

This is my new favorite spell!

You figure you can wait almost the whle time after flame shock then lava burst and with 2500 spell power you will hit 7k crit + like 3k... cause the reg hit will be 1000+2500 = 3500 and crit

Commento di 237396

Weakest DPS class? Must be kidding. People are always calling shamans OP in raids. Rarely get out dps'd in both elemental and enhance specs.

Commento di 74180

This spell got buffed with 3.0.3

From the Patch Notes:

Direct buff:
Lava Burst: The base damage has been increased by approx. 10%.

Indirect buffs ( first one is more of a bugfix imho ):
Storm Reach is now called “Elemental Reach” and now includes Lava Burst.
Glyph of Lava: Glyph of Earth Elemental removed and replaced with this glyph. This glyph increases coefficient on Lava Burst by 0.1.

Commento di Duprass

You're close, but Elemental Fury is better than Reverberation. Elemental fury is one of those "OMG" talents that is an incredible boost to DPS. You can think of it this way, each time you crit with earth shock its like you shocked 3 times with that one shock, or essentially, you're getting 1 extra shock in (Since a crit basically counts as a x2 attack).

https://www.wowhead.com/cata/talent=hVhhZhxxfoxdIekguVo

Now the other problem with Reverberation is that reducing the shock CD by a seconds isn't really helping you. Right now Enhance is so bound in riding the GCD you're going to be strapped as is to have all your CD's up at once.

In case you are unaware, right now (at 70) the standard SS, ES/FS rotation is out, we use a priority list instead.

The priority list runs as follows:
1. If MS is at 5 stacks LB.
2. If SS is up use it. (It doesn't matter if WF is on CD or not, just push the button)
3. If shocks are off CD, ES.
4. If LL is off CD, use it.

Flame shock is out because we get way more out of ES critting than we do from FS because a lot of the damage there comes from dots, I'm not sure how this will play out at 80 with Lava Burst always critting if there is a FS on the target, also with the glyph that makes it so your FS isn't absorbed by the effect.

Also, for the good of the order, read up before you post like you're an expert. Even some of what I have posted isn't 100% accepted as fact, much like science there's widely accepted theories that may eventually become fact if they hold true for long periods of time. I mean for example right now I can't tell you if you should x2 WF or buff FT on you OH. It really depends on your gear, at 80, the WF/FT combo is probably going to be the way to go. Another example is how we used to be told that you shouldn't SS if WF is up, that was never universally accepted, and now its definitely out the window.

Oh and for the record, if you do use FT on your OH (I do) it does scale better with faster OH, but because of SS and LL, you get more DPS out of the slower weapon every time.

Commento di MaranX

The only disadvantage I found that it has 8s cooldown. It needs as much mana as lightning bolt, deals more damage than chain lightning and active flame shock makes it certain to critically hit. If you also add glyph of flame shock it won't get consumed so, yeah, finally ele shammy will deal some good dps.

Commento di Adm0n

According to WoWwiki.com, Lava Burst receives 57.14% of your spell power as added damage.

So with 1500 spellpower, Lava Burst will get an extra 857 damage. So, untalented, It will deal about 2049-2375 damage. Not bad.

In addition, a fully talented Lava Burst will do 11% more damage than that. So we're looking at 2274-2636 damage. Non-crit.

The crits are where it gets crazy, though, as this spell (fully talented) will receive an insane 124% damage boost when it crits.

So 2274-2636 becomes 5094-5905 damage.

This is, of course, assuming you have 1500 spellpower at lvl 80. :-)

Commento di 138519

Actually! IMO https://www.wowhead.com/cata/talent=hVhhqZhhxcoxdAIkurot would be pretty good spec. Even though I havent seen how much dps Static Shock would add, I heard its not very good. A 100% increase in spell crits would also be much better than 1 sec cooldown for shocks. With the Glyph of Flame Shock that makes your lava burst not consume it and would crit everytime if you keep your flame shock up. (which it should be)

https://www.wowhead.com/cata/talent=hEh0qcdetMxst0xtco is what I've made for Elemental. Also with that glyph, Lava burst should crit everytime and keeping flame shock up won't be a problem. With all that scaling from talents, Lava Burst looks like it'll own.

Commento di TheHandOfSeth

I still don't understand why people are saying hex should come before a flame shock. Flame shock has an initial damage meaning that your hex would be instantly broken. I guess if you need to mentally prepare yourself and set up your totems before you waste them, it could be useful, but as part of the actual attack plan, it has no use.

Commento di 43753

Don't think Lava Burst is worth it anymore since it can't be consumed with Maelstrom Weapon, an experienced Shammy is going to get off more than 3K Damage in the time it takes to cast Lava Burst =/

Commento di 133471

This spell is great even if you are enhancement, and have invested points into Elemental Fury and Elemental Devastation. I hit around 3k crits with Rank 1 of this spell plus you can keep the Elemental Devastation buff up, almost all the time. The 2 second cast time is worth it.

Commento di 256207

Can anyone tell us whether this spell has any place in our beloved enhancement specced dps rotation/priority list? or whether its more useful in PvP or PvE? im still 74 cant get these answers myself! Any information is appreciated!

Commento di grimholt

Here's my current macro for Lava Burst/LB-rotation.
#showtooltip Lava Burst
/userandom 13
/userandom 14
/castrandom Elemental Mastery
/castsequence reset=180/target Flame Shock, Lava Burst, Lightning Bolt, Lightning Bolt, Lightning Bolt, Lava Burst, Lightning Bolt, Lightning Bolt, Lightning Bolt

Also, if you're an orc, throw in a «/castrandom Blood Fury» in there. Works like a charm, although it's not perfect. Hoping Wowhead-users can help improve it further.

Commento di 152566

lvling made ez for resto shammys :)

Commento di 152566

lvling made ez for resto shammys

Commento di 158609

Maybe I've missed it somewhere, but I would really love to see the math on why I shouldn't spam lava burst as an enhancement shaman. I need my ED and that is final. As well as receiving ED from the critical I also get clearcasting making an emergency heal or chain lightning great for mana. The utility of this makes the critical from Lburst too handy to ignore for 5 mans. I'm currently using a FS-ES-LBurst rotation with LBolt, SS, and LL thrown in the mix. My global cooldowns always make LBurst a priority before a FS can run out. But perhaps my simple logic in the matter is severely flawed and furthermore I'd rather optimize my dps rather than see big pretty yellow numbers.

Commento di 249158

From my experience, this is by far the best elemental shaman skill. Nothing better than opening up in pvp with a 5k crit before the person even gets off there mount =P. PvP, PvE, Raiding, this skill is by far the strongest elemental shaman skill.

From my personal Tests, In groups my average crit is around 5k, highest being 5.6k. While soloing, Average crit is 4k, and highest being 4.7k.

My uber burst combo, Flame Shock, Lava Burst, Elemental Mastery, Chain Lightning. Usually puts out around 9k in a 4 sec time span. At lvl 75, with blue dungeon and quest gear.

Commento di 206160

if, I cast Lava Burst first before applying Flame Shock,
what range should I be looking to, so that by the time my LvB hit, my Flame Shock is already on the target?

I wonder if it will work anyway. any thought?

Commento di 218424

Confirmed that you will not get the 100% crit chance if the lava burst has been cast before the flame shock, reguardless of which one hits the target first

Btw, i love this spell :D the burst dmg of a 9k LvB, followed by a 5k CL crit and a thunderstorm 2-4k depending on crits. If im lucky, that priest will be dead before he realises hes been purged :)

Commento di Lassy

For freshly dinged shamans going elemental it's extremely important that you properly manage and time FS and LvB. Doing so will result in very respectable DPS.

Why? Because LvB, with FS applied is a guaranteed crit. Literally, it ignores the possibility of a miss. So while you're still at 0 Hit Rating, your LvBs are kicking out just as much dps of a hitcapped raider with an equal amount of spellpower, resulting in higher DPS than expected.

HR remains an important stat though, if nothing else than to make sure you don't have to leave LvB on cooldown because your FS missed.

Commento di purtip31

You corrected yourself in your own post.

hit / miss is the FIRST thing calculated before a spell lands. if it hits, the the game checks if it is a crit.

In this case, the Lava Burst must hit the target, which is calculated first. Then, if the Lava Burst hits, the game engine checks if there is a Flame Shock on the target, and if there is, the spell will critically hit. If there is not, it uses your own critical strike chance, just like a normal spell. No where in the tooltip does it actually guarantee a critical strike, it is saying that if your Lava Burst hits the target and there is a Flame Shock on it (not assuming glyph), it will consume the flame shock, causing your Lava Burst to critically strike. The Lava Burst can not consume the Flame Shock if it does not hit the target.

Proof of this comes from personal experience. I am not hitcapped on my shaman, and whenever I am in a boss fight I keep Flame Shock up 100% of the time. My Lava Burst misses approximately 8% of the time, depending on raid composition

Edit for bad wording.
Edit again - In hindsight, I probably should have quoted the entire post, now I'm just making myself look like dumb.

Commento di 346805

Flame Sock + Lava Burst with a good gear = Destruction and a 9+k crit with this spells.....is not cow poo
haha

Commento di Pinochet

Don't overlook this ability as as a pvp enchance shaman. This still hits pretty hard even with your gimp spellpower and no supporting talents/glyphs.

Consider putting up a flame shock proactively when setting up your burst, then you have the option of using it in conjuction with earth shock or a 4/5 maelstrom.

Not something to do often, but it can be good for a killing blow when you're being kited and out of melee range.

Situational spell is useful in some situations.

Commento di 150098

Consider putting up a flame shock proactively when setting up your burst, then you have the option of using it in conjuction with earth shock or a 4/5 maelstrom.

Lava Burst is not one of the spells MW helps.

Two second cast is still good nonetheless, you can use it if you're rooted and not in melee range. While raiding it could also help out if you find yourself out of your rotation, cast LB while you wait for your key ability to finish it's cool down and start with your rotation again.

Commento di 361344

Now.. let me get this right. With Glyph of Flame Shock... couldn't your Lava Burst ALWAYS crit? Flame Shock has a 6 second cool down.. with the glyph, it has a 18 second length. Lava Burst has a 2 second cast and a 8 second cool down. Couldn't you crit twice with Lava Burst before reapplying Flame Shock, and then reapply Flame Shock before the cooldown on Lava Burst has finished.. = 100% crit with Lava Burst?

Commento di Havok77

T9 four piece bonus - Increases the damage dealt by Lava Burst by 20%

Ouch.

Commento di Headache

This one time, in Naxx 25, I got a 11,2k lava burst while being fully raidbuffed and all, but my sp wasnt that good, about 1900 with totem.

I want to see the damage on LvB with 4 pieces of T9 though. O.o

Commento di dooshbag12

Lol i hit 15k with lava burst with totem down totem glyph and 2.4k spell power buffer and when trinkets pop i get around 3.9k Sp meaning big lava burst crits although hitting 44k on hodir in ulduar was fun :)

Commento di GinjaNinja

Doing some maths in my head:
Lava Burst Damage
57% of SP, 87% with glyph and talents.
11% Extra Damage
124% Crit bonus.

Level 75 - 1200SP (probably)
1200x0.87 = 1044.

1012-1290 damage, adding SP
2056-2334 Damage, now add the 11% damage bonus.
2056x1.11 - 2334x1.11
2282 - 2591. Non Crit.
Crit bonus of 124%
2282x2.24 - 2591x2.24
5112 - 5804 Crit Damage.

I'm 73 at the moment, but if I'm correct (I usually miss a few numbers) I will probably jizz my pants when I first use it.

Commento di 226334

As of Patch 3.2 PTR Build 10433,Lava Burst no longer consumes Flame Shock. Shamen rejoice!

Commento di Noromis

Do not doubt the power of LAVA!

Commento di 314580

Except no more Lava Flows spellcasting speed increases

Commento di 178827

I was going to ask 'if you spell reflect a lava burst when you have flame shock applied to you, will it reflect the bonus crit as well.' But it seems you confirm that. (unless you just got lucky and spell reflected a crit)

It will be a 100% crit if Flame Shock is applied to you (unless the Shaman is protected from being critically hit). Any reflected spell acts as if it were cast on the original target. It didn't use to, but it does so now.

Commento di 163658

I am saddened by the fact that Blizzard made all pvp shamans absolutely identical with this spell. When I meet a shaman, I can be sure his/her move will be Flame Shock -> Lava burst. It's kinda sad.

Commento di ir0npanda

this is my favourite spell to reflect on my warrior (tied with chaos bolt)

Commento di 279059

This spell is the reason i can easily pawn ele shamys with my prot warriors its like the hit a mirror

Commento di 452999

Burst is just written all over this spell...

Commento di 609246

Jus got critted for slightly over 12k by a shaman with 2610 spellpower. The damage output of this spell seems extreme.

Commento di Lasmettus

PLEASE NOTE: Holy Priests CAN prevent this spell from dealing a critical hit. It is about pure luck for the talent to occur. Blessed Resilience. After from being critically hit the caster has a 60% chance to be immunized against critical strikes for 6 seconds. And therefor, shall the priest have this talent active on them, Lava Burst CAN'T critically hit(Flame Shock causes no difference). To check the talent:

Commento di mdagis

I got critted by 17K+ in Wintergrasp. That's way too much for 1 spell

Commento di Deathnotez

It has Hadoken written all over it for me.

Commento di 327123

Used as an opener, cast LvB from longest possible (talented) range and immediately cast FS. One would expect a crit, since LvB takes a long time to arrive at the target and one can see the FS dot on the target long before LvB hits. However, this is not the case. My opening LvB's are not critting 100% as advertised.

Any thoughts?

Commento di 656718

To clear things out, will i have any use of this as an enhancement shammy? Either pve or pvp-wise? This post may be stupid but i just couldn't find any post that would aswer my question properly.
thanks

Commento di crusader666

As of patch 4.0.1 Lava Burst is trainable at level 34

Commento di 766341

This spell is awesome, sadly Elemental shamans sucks so hard in pvp and i don't get to use it as often as i want.
I always pvp with my Enhancement spec cause Elemental has no survivability at all.

Commento di 194724

Is there any reason why this spell seems to be the most random thing ever? I can be popping 40k crits unbuffed one day, then 20k crits the next day buffed... Am I the only one with this problem?

Commento di johnnykook

As of now, what is the highest Crit for Lava Burst? I've seen around 48k maybe 50k. Is there anyway to go higher?

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Lava Burst

Lava Burst	Livello 85

10% della base mana	Portata di 30 m

Istantaneo	8 s di recupero

You hurl molten lava at the target, dealing 1587 Fire damage. If your Flame Shock is on the target, Lava Burst will deal a critical strike.

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Durata

n/d

Scuola

Fuoco

Meccanica

n/d

Tipo di Dissipare

n/d

Categoria GCD

Normale

Costo

10% della base mana

Portata

30 metri (Medium)

Tempo di lancio

Istantaneo

Recupero

8 secondi

GCD

1.5 secondi

Effetto

School Damage (Fuoco)
Valore: 1012 (Mod SP:0.628)
[PVP Multiplier: ]1

Variabili

Lava Burst

Beneficio

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