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Commento di begolas

where does the recipe for this drop? i really want this enchant...

Commento di 26125

It doesn't trigger on ranged hit since it says "enchant a melee" wpn and it triggers when exactly this wpn hits not any other.
Otherwise it would say something else for ex "when the target is struck by a melee or a ranged hit, the wielder of the wpn gets...".
It's the same like the crusader enchant in the way it triggers.

Commento di 15462

Nice enchant, really nice...

...But 10 prismatics, 6 void crystals (no doubt what you get from DEing level 61-70 epics) 8 planar essences, and 40 dust...

Probably at least a 120g enchant, most likely more. At least you don't really have to run a major instance and hope for rare drops anymore.

Commento di 26444

Crusader still stacks, and I confirm that mongoose stacks too...it's <3

Commento di blueblood

Would this enchant be any good for a tank? I mean, 120 agi adds some nice dodge :)

Commento di 28572

6 void crystals, on my server at least, cost 70g each.
10 Large Prismatics is 110-160g depending on the day.
40 arcane dust is 60g.
8 Greater Planar Essences are about 40g.

Total= 600-700g, depending on the deals you get.

And I'll assume the enchant will want one helluva tip, so add that in too.

All in all, even if this procs every third hit, it's still not practical for cost.

When it goes down a bit, rest assured I'll get it for my twink. Wish I knew what it looked like.

Commento di 32937

This is more or less exactly like Crusader. It will stack if used on both weapons, but won't stack if proc is from same source.

It won't work for ranged as all weapon enchants on meele weapons require a meele hit to proc.

Commento di 14925

Does this have a weapon-glow effect, and if so, what?

Commento di 36409

It makes my soul bleed that ferLAWL druids get shafted on this sweet, sweet, buttery enchant. :|

Commento di Etern

Almost all proc enchants have in the past been on a per minute timer. So I assume this one is on a proc per minute timer as well.

(basically identical to Crusader)

Commento di 23830

Mongoose will have a neon green glow in 2.1.0

http://www.nihilum.co.uk/image/1683/

Commento di 43244

would this enchant carry on?

for example:
if i put it onto my Drakefist Hammer
and then i upgrade it to Dragonmaw

would the enchant still be there?

Commento di Raidan

as Whisperess states the first weapons is consumend to create the next one..

you must not think of upgrading your weapon but creating an new one with the old one as mere reagent..
and since reagents are lost in the process of creating, the old weapon (with everything on it) will be lost as well... that's always the way it worked an it'll be like this beacause it's "working as intended"
:)

Commento di Slash

proc:
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=28093

Commento di 48675

i have this Enchant on my Rogue it Procs just like Crusader with the golden shimmer around you and i get the following stats
when using a 1.6speed Sword

+0.03 Attack Speed
+5 Dodge
122 Attack power
244 Armor
+3.05 Crit

Commento di 48675

just an addition i got the Dodge wrong its 6.10% extra i go from 29.85 to 35.95%.. so with this proc Ghostly strike and Evasion i can get 102% dodge

Commento di 17498

Some clarification regarding this enchant:

It cannot proc for a druid in animal form,

If you have this on two weapons and they both proc, the effects will stack (which means 240 agi and 4% attack speed, which is pretty sweet),

If you have it on one weapon and it procs twice, the second proc will overwrite the first proc.

I have tested and confirmed that it cannor proc on ranged attacks as of 19/05.

Using Gladiator's Greatsword (2H) the proc rate is at: 3.21%, but it is probably less on faster weapons due to the PPM system. When I find the exact formula for the PPM I will post it here.

Commento di 29432

It procs this way - lets say for example that it procs twice in a minute. If your weapon is dagger its speed will be lets say 1.9 which means that in 1 minite it will hit 31.5 times giving it 3.8% chance to proc meaning that instant attacks like backstab or mutilate will have too 3.8% chance to proc it. But if your weapon is sword/fist/mace it speed will be 2.6 and it will do 23 attacks in 1 minute which is 5.2% chance on every attack to proc. Therefore every instant attack like SS or Hemorrhage has too 5.2% chance to proc it. So in conclusion the slower the weapon is the more times will the mongoose enchant proc by instant attacks.

Commento di 24974

Does anyone know if this enchant is visible on Gladiator's 1h Swords, Fist Weapons or Maces?

Thanks.

Commento di prorogue

Does anyone know what will happen glow-wise?

If i enchant my "The Night blade" with the moongoose enchant? If the dagger glow stacks with mongoose that would be insanely cool :D
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31331 (The Night Blade)

Commento di thevenom

I can confirm that this DOES proc off a rat.

Commento di 59376

Is this worth getting on your Deep Thunder or should i stil with the 35 agilty or Slav

Commento di Kaution

Does the glow show up on The Decapitator?

Commento di 56071

All right.. A little question about the procrates...

I know the procrate is on a PPM base, and is determined by the speed of the weapon, but does a 1h weapon have a smaller chance to proc than a 2h weapon of the same speed?

Thanks in advance ^_^

Commento di 67969

Ok how much is a 2h Mace with a speed of 3.80 going to proc like 6%?

Commento di Xamibon

To add info for warriors.
Whiles this enchant is really great for tanking. The agi is a dodge and armor boost. Its also fair for dps (tho i myself preffer raw attackpower). The 120 agility is roughly 80 critrating.

Commento di Grakkh

DW Warriors, don't make the same mistake I did and put this on your offhand weapon. Uptime is ridiculouslly small for the mediocre benefits, especially for grinding it really sucks. Suffice to say I wish I had gone for Potency instead, one fifth of the price for more benefit.

Commento di jon4009

This is a bad misuse of terminology.

"Stacking" refers to the ability to multiply a buff over and over, up to a certain limit. For example, warriors sunder armor stacks up to 5 times, and mages fire vulnerability from scorch stacks up to 5 times.

This buff does NOT stack. If it procs again while the 15s buff is up, then the buff is RENEWED to 15s, but the effect does not multiply.

What I think people are talking about is that it can be active once per weapon, so if you have two weapons with it on, then it can be active as two separate buffs with separate timers. This is not what most people think of when you say "it stacks".

Commento di 39249

I am new to the term proc. what does it mean exactly? and also my friend tells me it does not proc for hunters. Does this mean a hunter can not get it? doesn't makes sense to me.

Commento di Xathian

I was wondering if Mongoose can proc off a Sword Spec Warrior proc these days? Aout to go Sword Spec and I was wondering, if I hit once and Mongoose doesnt proc but I get an extra attack, can Mongoose proc form that? or only the first true swing?

Commento di 40483

Proc rates are all well and good but is Kara the only place it drops? And is it only dropping from one boss? What are the drop rates? I need to hear more about the scroll than about the enchantment please.

Commento di 36076

I have noticed, on daggers. The glow can over power the dagger itself. My concern simply is that I like the graphics of my weapon and would like to see it. On swords, maces, axes, etc, It fits perfectly. On a MG dagger, it looks fine. Although it is a bit longer than most daggers.

If I am way off here, rate me down. Just something I have noticed.

Commento di 67219

As i already think understood the less hits the more procs???
and the more hits the less procs???

If it is like this everyone would have slow weapons only.....

Commento di 40021

What if I have the sinister calling talent (Increases your total Agility by 15%),
would that mean I would get 138 Agility instead of 120?

Commento di Kaitain

Best looking enchant Blizz have ever made. by miles.. :-)

Commento di 58467

Mates i wont stack when you have 1 weap...
when you have 2 weapons with mongoose it will stack

Commento di Arideni

I ran some quick math in the forums for Warriors, so I thought I would post the info. here as I didn't see it anywhere else. This was directed to someone asking about the effects of Mongoose (for tanking).

The effects of Mongoose are pretty sharp. For 15 seconds you gain:

~3.6% chance to crit
4% chance to dodge
240 armor

The 2% speed increase is actually a bit misconceived in that it does not provide haste technically. You will keep the same DPS because it lowers the damage of your following swings (while active).

Commento di 63289

no.. it stands for Pseudo-Random OCcurence.. because in computers, there is no such thing as true random, only psuedo-random

Commento di Tresjin

It should be noted that retribution paladins, with 25 agi/1% crit instead of warrior's 33/1%, will gain a 4.8% crit bonus on a proc instead of 3.63%. And for protection paladins, they also recieve 1% dodge for every 25 agi, so it's 4.8% dodge for them as well. Though most tankadins will go with a spelldamage weapon with +40 spelldamage enchant, Mongoose is still good for a dodge weapon like Sun Eater in an avoidance set.

Commento di 5849

Hunter enchant?

I just wanted to know if anyone's tested to see if you can get procs from ranged attacks or only melee? I'm tempted to say just melee but maybe someone knows for sure?

Commento di 129716

How often will this proc?

Commento di 97601

For a rogue in PvP, BG's and Arena.
Would you say having this mainhand and a 20agi offhand would be:
Better,
Same, or
Worse
Then dual weilding it?
Taking into account weapon speeds of 2.6mh and 1.5oh

Commento di 131725

would this work with battlemaster for a dps warroir or would exicutioner be better with this?

Commento di Tarreiden

This cant be added to lvl 19 items for twinking but... http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=214 The dagger from that quest can. I got the quest at lvl 18

Commento di Nufan

Is moongoose a good enchant for 2hand weapon??

Commento di 87465

A note for for my fellow twinkers. while being much, much more expensive than crusader, it is quite a bit better. procs about 3 times as often in *my* experience. your mileage may vary. a thing to keep in mind, in general, the thing about certain brackets is how long you can stay alive; hence nethercleft being better than nethercobra, and so forth. the agi that this enchant gives helps considerably.

Commento di 139404

This enchant is usless for hunters.Because you wont hit players with melee attacks so often.

Commento di 35014

No, it's not a bad use of terminology.

Even this website, http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/stack clearly shows that;
"Stack" is used to determine the ability of an item to pile-up upon itself.
If you have two mongooses and both proc and give you 4% attack speed and 240 agility then yes, they are indeed stacking.

If they didn't stack, they would only provide 120 agility and 2% attack speed increase even if both procced at the same time.

Do not think that just because the two different enchants have two different buff icons that they do not "stack".
If one triggers within 15 seconds of the other you will certainly gain the effect twice over for a total 240 agility and 4% attack speed bonus, regardless of the fact that they use two different buff slots.

The only reason they don't share the same buff slot on your character is because blizzard didn't want a mongoose proccing and refreshing the existing buff from your first mongoose.
If that happened, you could quite often have 120 agility and 2% speed increase for 14 seconds and then 240 agility and 4% attack speed increase for a further 15 seconds if your secondary mongoose procced during the last second of your first mongooses' proc.

Commento di 9498

gives the buff lightning speed

Commento di 152892

how can i use the effect?

Commento di 146445

This enchant sounds fantastic...........
I wonder if we could get some theory crafters to figure the uptime percentage on a 3.5 - 3.8 second weapon and compare that to a always on enchant such as Greater Agility. imo I would guess that this proc would be up quite often but the greater agility would probably keep your damage higher over a set amount of attacks over 1 minute. I'm trying to figure out if I should enchant Storm Herald with this enchant or something different. I'm 70 ret pally =)
Any help would be appreciated

Commento di 126756

Think this has been said before...but I would laugh my ass off at a hunter PVeing with this on his weapon. Straight up agil would probably be more beneficial especially from a raid perspective. The enchant of course only has a chance to proc, assuming the hunter melees and I dont think the hunter would be in a good position if he has to melee. For PvP...acceptable I guess since it would increase dodge vs melee classed and give some insane stats for damage once you wing clip, scatter shot, whatever.

Commento di 170647

how its work with shapeshift?

Commento di 172885

Anyone seen this on a Grand Marshal's Claymore? Looks epic. :p

Commento di 156159

ok to anybody thats thinking about getting this enchant

firstly for rogues goose/goose is the best pvp/pve
untill t6 content and it still is not much different

mongoose on suneater of course is good for warrior tanks

ret pallys you have to decide
1700+ attack power you should get this pve wise
if you dont have a ton of armor pen and still get it in some cases

pvp you will want executioner for tons of reasons its just better

under 1700 attack power pvp and pve
you should really think about savagery its cheap and helps a ton

hope this helps anybody

Commento di 34876

Mongoose: 1 PPM (Proc Per Minute) to give the following buff: "Lightning Speed". This buffs give 120 Agility and 2% extra attack speed for 15 seconds. Since it's only 15 seconds per minute, it's fair to compare it with 30 Agility and 0,5% attack speed over a whole fight. This is an average of 1% Dodge, 0,9% Crit, 60 Armor and 0,5% extra Attack Speed.

Now basically you have to compare 30 agi & 0.5% attack speed vs 35 agi.
Since PvP is all about burst damage you might want to pick Mongoose for that. PvE wise I think there are a lot of calculations flying around that indicate Executioner as the best 2h enchant.

Commento di kaspar160

where can i find the mats for moongose?

Commento di ADneo

im gonna put this on my S4 feral staff when i get it, in a week or so, and tuck away for WOTLK ;o

Commento di Kuja

i think my mongoose is bugged. got it yesterday and it hasn't procced even once. did over 50 battlegrounds since.

Commento di druidpower

In wotlk this will proc in feral forms as well.

Commento di Alfador

Does this work for feral druids in 3.0?

Commento di Alfador

Confirmed! It procs for ferals in 3.0.2!

Commento di yodadoe

I did some research and will answer my own question. For those feral druids considering Mongoose, here's a quick explanation of when and why you should use Mongoose. Executive summary: Slow attack speed means Mongoose procs more often. So it's good for Bear form, but arguably no better than the +35 enchant for cat form.

Mongoose is given a probability of activating the +120 Agility buff based on your swing speed. That probability changes depending on the speed of your weapon/paw so that the end result is an average of 1ppm (one proc per minute). HOWEVER, this is only applicable if you sit there and do nothing but auto-attack. So in cat form, with an attack speed of 1.0 swings per second, you have a 1 in 60 chance that Mongoose procs on any given swing. In Bear form, with an attack speed of 2.5 swings per second, you have a 2.5 in 60 chance, which equals a 1 in 24 chance. So just doing auto-attacks, the proc chance of Mongoose is the same for everyone... should proc once per minute.

But since the proc chance is a probability based on each swing of your weapon/paw, every time you do any kind of special move that is a physical attack, you have an extra chance for Mongoose to proc. And obviously, most of what we do is special attacks. So for each of those special attacks in cat form, you have a 1/60 chance for Mongoose to proc. But in Bear form, you have a 1/24th chance for it to proc... a much better chance.

So some rough math estimation: In bear form, lets say you are spamming Lacerate, Mangle, and Swipe while tanking at a rate of one every 2.5 seconds (a fairly conservative estimate... when I'm swimming in rage, it seems like I'm doing some special move every 1.5sec GCD). That is 24 extra swings at a proc rate of 1/24, which means one extra Mongoose proc per minute for a total of 2. So assuming the two procs don't overlap too much, that's 30 seconds of +120 Agility per minute. One could average that over the whole minute to assume +60 Agility all the time. Compare that to the +35 Agility enchant and Mongoose seems to be the better. The only drawback is that it won't proc as much when fighting stuff in bear that doesn't give you much rage, so you aren't doing as many special moves. On the flip side, your multi-target strikes such as glyphed maul and swipe make for a HUGELY increase proc rate when fighting multiple mobs!

Compare this to the same situation in cat form. I cannot do as many special moves in cat as in bear form b/c energy is always being used up. I'll estimate one special move per 3 seconds. That is 20 extra swings at a proc rate of 1/60, for an average of 0.33 extra Mongoose procs per minute... total is 1.33. So it would only proc 4 times in 3 minutes. 120 Agility for 15 seconds times four, averaged over the 3 minutes (assuming no overlap) is about a +40 agility. Since this math is rough, I would call that roughly equal to the +35 Agility enchant. FWIW, I have seen more complicated math done which gave the Mongoose-in-cat agility average to be only +37. Considering how much cheaper the mats are for the straight Agility enchant, I would call Mongoose not worth it for cat, though not useless either. If you have one weapon for DPS and tanking, Mongoose is an ideal chant.

Slower weapon speed = more procs of the Mongoose. (In case you were wondering why rogues love Mongoose, using fast attack speed daggers, it's because they've got Mongoose on both weapons for double the proc rate!) Death Knights will be the other tanking class that doesn't use shields, so will be using a slow-attack 2h weapon. So I imagine Mongoose will be popular for them as well. And of course, for a Warrior who can dual-wield two slow 2h weapons, this will be amazing.

EDIT 3.0.8: Mongoose is still the best tanking chant in the game for Bear Tanks. But the new AP chants on 2h weapons are far better for cat DPS than agility enchants.

Commento di 234471

RE: Feral Druids and Mongoose in 3.0

I bit the bullet and got mongoose on my feral staff. The normalized proc rate means you hardly ever get the buff in cat form. I strongly recommend 35agi for your DPS set.

The proc rate IS much better in bear form but still very low in my opinion. I'd stay with 35agi for your tank set as well.

The only caveat worth noting is that mongoose has a chance to proc on every hit, not every swing. Pairing that with the fact that the enchant has no internal cooldown means that it's actually not hard to keep this buff permanently rolling when you are swiping 4 or more mobs at once. If you're looking for something to help with multi-mob grinding I highly recommend mongoose.

Commento di Silverado

Question: Is there an enchant in WotLK that is better than Mongoose for melee DPS?
(Like Crusader was replaced by Mongoose as a melee DPS enchant)

Commento di Corvan

*THE* most expensive enchant in the game as of pre-wrath

Commento di Chachee

This is still the BEST enchant for Bear Druids in Wrath. They have not added any new Agility to 2-handers enchants. It's really quite annoying to have to farm planar essences still because Blizzard has overlooked weapon enchants for bears. It's too bad because we finally get the ability to proc on enchants, but now are forced to stick with a TBC one to maximize our tanking abilities.

Other ones you MIGHT consider (but shouldn't get) are Accuracy (crit + hit) and Massacre (AP). Neither is useful for anything but threat generation.

Give us a new agility enchant, Blizzard!

Commento di 250155

Just to make this easier to see

Druids can now benefit from these weapon enchants in forms and it is still probably the best enchant for tanking bears.

Commento di 226137

Is it me or is this still the best enchant in the game for a rogue? Kind of depressing that I'm tempted to re-apply a pre-WotLK enchant to my level 80 weapons. Thoughts?

Commento di 236127

Does proc of this thing depends of lvl?
I got Mongoose on main's and twink's blades, and i think proc in 39 is not so often like in 70

Commento di lordkarthas

Every paladin and warrior tank I've seen so far at level 80 who bothered to enchant their weapon has Mongoose. Why? Because Blizzard doesn't like making tank weapon enchants. Berserking, the spiritual successor to Mongoose, is the worst enchant a tank could possibly have.

Commento di 216064

imo mongoose is still #1 for rogues... could be handy for dagger rogues since fast attack speed.

Commento di 248315

This is still an excellent enchant for Rogues considering the now reduced price, even in WotLK, if you look at the MAEP (Max agility equivalence points) scale. Beserking is clearly better, but mongoose mats won't set you back much.

Beserking 86
Mongoose 46 (BC)
Accuracy 41
Executioner 33 (BC)
Superior Potency 33
Exceptional Agility 26

Commento di 282564

Can someone tell me why there is only one enchant better than mongoose for pve right now, a full expansion later, and why it's still better for pvp, because it has no 20% armor reduction?

Commento di naiohme

Just got this put onto my http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44703 ... wasn't really worth it cause apparently the fish doesn't glow!

Commento di Immortares

There is some discussion going on what Weapon Enchant would be best for Level 80 Protection Warriors. The word "best" should in my opinion be defined in this case by 3 criteria:

Survivability by health, mitigration (or Damage Reduction) or Healing
Threat to keep aggro
Damage (least important)

The reason I make this overview is that some Protection Warriors see the Mongoose still as a compulsory Enchant. However since patch 3.0 Protection Warriors benefit more from Strength now, because most abilities scale with Attack Power or with Block Value.

The Enchants that at least some upgrade for a Protection Warrior are:

For Level 80 Warriors these Enchants provide the following statistics:

Lifeward : Chance on hit ("sometimes") provides 140-160 Healing on self
Battlemaster : Chance on hit ("occasionally") provides 180-300 Healing on nearby party members
Mongoose : Procs on average 1 time per minute Lightning Speed => +1,92% Critical chance & +3,05% Dodge chance & +240 Armor for 15 seconds per each 60 seconds => +0,48% Critical chance & +0,76% Dodge chance & +60 Armor on average overall (compare it with 30 Agility)
Exceptional Agility : 26 Agility => +0,42% Critical chance & +0,66% Dodge chance & +52 Armor
Potency : 20 Strength => +2,86 White DPS & +10 Block Value or +3,03 White DPS & +13,8 Block Value with Vitality and Shield Mastery talents
Superior Potency : 65 Attack Power => +4,64 White DPS
Executioner : Ignore 840 Armor (DPS increase depends on the amount of armor of the mob and its debuffs)
Titanguard : 75 Stamina => +750 Health or +795 Health with Vitality talents

Additional notes:

Mongoose has (with an average Tanking Weapon Speed of 1.8 second) 3% chance to Proc. On White damage it would hit once every minute for 15 seconds. However on Bosses there is a chance the attack will be parried, dodged or missed. But on the other hand Mongoose also has 3% chance to Proc from instant Weapon ablities like Revenge, Devastate or Concussion Blow. In most cases these abilities will be used more often per minute than the amount of parry, dodge and miss and therefore the Lightning Speed buff will be up slightly more often than just once per minute on average.
Potency will slightly increase the Attack Power and the Block Value which will also result in more damage and Threat from abilities like Revenge, Shield Slam, Thunder Clap and Heroic Throw

Overall I think Titanguard will provide the most Survivability and should be used if Threat is no longer an issue anymore for the tank. Potency and Mongoose both provide a nice combination of Threat, Survivability and Damage. Battlemaster will provide little Threat and no Damage, but has the advantage of healing the entire party (if in range) and might be very useful for Offtanks.

I hope this will ease the choice a bit! Good luck! :D

Regards,

Immortares
(EU - Twisting Nether - Alliance - Aeternitas)

Commento di 112723

Useful Links (for people like me that want to just click and not have to search lol)

Recipe
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=22559

Enchanter's Spell
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=27984

Buff
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=28093

Do-it-yourself Kit
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=38925

Commento di 160308

Cost of just 1 Abyss crystal on Balnazzar at the time of this post: 200g+

Cost of entire mats for Mongoose: 245g (greater planar was actually the most expensive part)

At 5-10% of the material cost of berserking, price vs effectiveness made this a no-brainer. If you are like me, and still trying to save 5,000-12,000g for some sort of mount; you'll be very happy with this enchant. Even on a better day when Abyss crystals are cheaper, the savings are still incredible.

You may play on a server where berserking costs less, or mongoose costs more, but odds are this enchant will still be extremely cost-effective for you. I'm a rogue, btw, so this enchant may be more valuable to me than others.

Commento di Olioster

This enchant is still a fine choice for enhancement shamans, at least for off-hand with Berserking on the main. It still provides 120 AP, nearly 2% crit and the small haste. Its nice if you don't feel like going all out on double Berserking.

Commento di 3phase

I've heard this is trainable in WotLK now, yet I see no information to back that up. Can anyone confirm that it doesn't need to be farmed from Moroes anymore?

Commento di 316306

Stack literally means to put one thing upon something else. They do not stack because the second occurrence doesn't cause the timer on the first to reset back to 15, or more like the warrior sunder armor. True, the effects will stack when both are active, but the actual buffs will not.

Commento di 328506

It is, literally, correct usage. However, using stack in "WoW" terms, the first poster is correct. Lightning Speed does NOT stack. It can dual-proc, but it does not ever show a Lightning Speed2 icon, which is the indicator that a buff/debuff has stacked. Lacerate shows Lacerate3 to let you know that the effect is stacked 3 times.

So, while we are arguing semantics here, the distinction is relevant given the context of game language.

Dual-proc, not stack.

Commento di 332015

just wondering what are the ebst enchants for rogues just would like to here your opinions....

Commento di 260375

what is the proc chance or how many times can it ppm?

Commento di Kerminator

Druids! Yes it works in feral forms(if you missed it before)
Did some testing. At Level 80. Stat bonuses in forms.
Cat:

1.52% Crit

Bear:

1.52% Crit
254 Armor
2.11 Dodge

I currently used Mongoose on both my Tanking and Dps weapons...
Current spec used: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0ZxGGsfrzceRcIkVobA0z

Commento di Gombol

As of now its 1% dodge and 1% crit (to warriors, not sure about paladins / druids) at 80, i found a good alternative is http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=59619 If your a 'lil low on threat, and due to the titanium Armour plating (shield 'chant, currently 40 shield block value) getting buffed next patch (3.1) to 40 block value and disarm reduction, having both would be Superior to threat gen.

Commento di 255922

Math for druid bears (as i like it)

We have either +35Agi, or mongoose.

In Bear form, we have a Proc Chance of exactly 1/24 ( (60s)/(2.5s^-1)=1/24 ) [normalized Proc of 1PPM)

Now, we assume, to make it easy, a single boss encounter with plenty of rage.

You will make, during 60s: 24 "White hits" and, theoretically, 40 special abilities. (GCD 1.5 a and so forth)

so we get a total of 64*(1/24) procs during 60 seconds boss fight. thats 2.66666... procs.

Now, if we assume that the procs dont overlap, we get 40 seconds uptime in a minute.

Overall +agi in a single boss encounter with enough rage: 2/3 of 120 = 80 AGI

Now, with lag, misses and so on, we assume a loss of ~20%, we get still some 64 AGI or so...

But... we dont only tank single boss encounters... a big load of encounters consists of 2 or more mobs, and evey additional hit adds 1/24 proc chance. So a swipe over 4 mobs is 16.6% proc chance....

Anything wrong, missing or so?

Commento di 348759

does this work if you got a wep under lvl 35 but you are lvl 35?

Commento di flakmeister

With 3.1 tankers were offered a wider range of weapon enchantments to go for in the form of Bladeward and Blood Drain. It seems, however, that Blood Drain is more situational than Mongoose and Blade Ward might simply be inferior.

Blood Drain is useful in encounters where you might expect some extreme burst but delivers no additional advantages Threat, Avoidance or Mitigation wise.

Blade Ward does look like it could be the potential heir of Mongoose as the king of overall utility, however, 200 Parry Rating will not yield any more Avoidance than 120 Agility would and don't mention the 240 armour loss. Threat wise it would depend on the proc rate on Blade Ward to exceed the 2/3% crit (Warrior/Paladin) and 2% Haste that is nearly permanently up with Mongoose.

Don't get coy and waste good gold until more testing has been done.

Commento di khaltak

some idiot on my server put a stack of void crystals on for 20g, and the rest were VERY cheap s i got this enchant for about 200g :D

is this any good for a DK? i am thinking about putting it on my shiny new axe :D
(i put the one above on my main)

Commento di 309676

I see warriors in top guilds that use mongoose at level 80, and I wonder how they can justify it.
Ie. http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Sen'jin&n=Xav

Obviously its still 1ppm, 120 agi and 2% haste, the difference is you get alot less dodge % from that agility at level 80.

According to the in-game tooltips 1 agility gives me 0.0132% dodge and 0.0160 crit, this means 120 agi gives:

120*0.0132=1.5840% undimished dodge
120*0.0160=1.9200% crit
120*2=240 armor

The crit and armor are the same as they were at 70, unfortunately the dodge is only half as much.
The uptime is 15 seconds out of every 60 seconds (1 ppm) which works out to 25%. So mongoose is the equivalent of having a permanent 0.5% haste and 30 agility (0.3960% dodge, 0.48% crit, 60 armor) enchant.

To make it even worse, there are now avoidance diminishing returns.

For instance I have 25.83% dodge. According to rating buster 1 agility only gives me 0.0096% dodge. This means 120 agility would give me 1.1520% 30 agility would give only 0.2880%

Commento di 309676

Yes, but the same is true of every other ppm enchant, such as blade ward.

Commento di 389127

Except that blade ward gives parry, with parry rating diminishing excessively fast to the point that even 120 agi is generally more dodge than 200 parry is worth. The crit % benefit of the agility will more or less match the parry's increased DPS value on pretty much everything but a DK tank as well.

Problem there though, is DK tanks tend to have alot of parry already, meaning that +200 parry is heavily diminished in actual seen parry increase unfortunately, to the point that the one class that would have the biggest use from blade ward, gets the least evasion benefit from it. Except for druids who can't parry at all.

Blood drinking is situationally more useful, but considering how hard ulduar25 bosses hit, especially hodir and vezax, or hardmode council, it's kind of to the point that it rarely manages to get a full 5 stack due to the 10 second internal cooldown.

The new enchants are marginally better... 'sometimes', at much higher cost, and only for certain classes. The new ones are just too situational. As a generic "all around" enchant, mongoose is still competitive with the new ones, and probably still the best choice for a bear tank.

Commento di 28353

Looking at the WWS stats for an Ulduar raid after getting this enchant (enhancement shaman, mongoose on The Stray offhand): during 1h09m of combat, the Lightning Speed buff from mongoose (+120 agility, +2 melee haste) was up for 23m51s. This works out at around 35% (or, about a third of the time).

So, on average it's equivalent to about 40 agility (around 1/3 of 120). Don't know if that makes it worth the expense over other, cheaper enchants.

Commento di 98497

This enchant is still very much a viable choice at level 80, for anyone that needs the agility.
As a rogue, I have this on both my daggers, as the mats are a lot cheaper than the "Berserker" enchant.

Commento di Anarchy

120 agility is 1.8% dodge at level 80, for paladins, I assume it's pretty similar or the same for other classes too.

Commento di Raxiel

As of 3.2 this enchant has a chance to proc from the extra damage on swing caused by seal of vengeance once it has reached a full stack.

Combined with the more generous amount of dodge they get per point of agility compared to warriors and DK's, this enchant just got a whole lot better for Paladins.

Testing on maintakadin has put the uptime on this effect around the 50% mark with SoV

Commento di 235651

still best pally tank chant in my opinion....man imagine a WotLK mongoose.
This thing seems to proc more now than in Bc for pally, seems to always be up and that agility gives nice dodge

Commento di Mogs

Does this still stack as of patch 3.3?

Commento di 517805

Well today i´ve decided to replace my Blade Ward with Mongoose. I´ve read a few discussions on EJ and so on. For me it´s definetly better than Blade Ward, cause i never had 5 Stacks of it in any fight.

So i bought the mats for Mongoose cost 200g Blade Ward is min. 600g. So then i wrote in the trade channel: LF enchanter with Mongoose. 10 secs later i got 15 whispers of amused warriors. They said: Lol you noob Mongoose on 80? Are you crazy. Worst guy ever... Tank with Mongoose, how dumb can you be.

But the fact that probably the best Tank warrior worldwide (Kungen) still uses Mongoose was uninteresting for them.

I´ve tested it today on a VoA pug, and for me it was way better than Blade Ward, but this is only subjective.

Commento di 489843

i'd like to know why it doesn't work on BoA items, i definitly didn't look at ALL the comments but i looked at a lot of them and none asked about or said anything about BoA weapons. i know it's probably the 1-80 thing but why won't it work if i'm lvl 53, then the item itself is then also 53, right?

Commento di chazz100

In the first screen shot , What weapon is she using please? =)

Commento di 258919

This is one of the two preffered weapon enchants for druid tanks, because of how useful agility is for us; the other is Blood Draining. The two bonuses aren't comparable stat-wise, but each has its own uses. In my opinion, Mongoose is the better enchant for semi-casual and/or lower geared raiders who are running such raids as ICC10/25 normal. But, for people who are getting into ICC10/25 heroic modes (primarily with guilds), Blood Draining could be a good replacement due to the fact that those fights can get extremely healer intensive.

Anybody who is dabbling in heroics still, only runs in pugs, or has not gotten into ICC heroics should take Mongoose, unless their health is really lacking. People who are entering healer intensive fights or are doubtful of their HP values may want to consider Blood Draining.

Commento di 611483

hmmm
i think with fury and arm warrior this would be better than enchanting for berserker
berserker sure is good but when it proc it will make the damage bonus from Armored to the Teeth lower
and with fury u can nearly spam HS with mongoose coz of the bonus agility that u will gain :)

correct me f iam wrong plz ^^

Commento di insaneblade

i can see blood draining beign nice but the proc is a joke still if your a paladin lol + any raid guild who is having issue with healers needs to grab better ones imho

Commento di mygan

Cast time = 1.389 hours ?

Commento di 656356

Best weapon enchant for rogues right now when agi is the top stat again.

Commento di oboc

According to the tentative information on ElitistJerks, Mongoose is the preferred weapon enchant now for PvE Rogues in 4.0.1:
http://elitistjerks.com/f78/t105659-4_0_1_rogue_faq/

(current as of 17/10/2010)

Personal Opinion: I'm glad this is the case as Berserking was kinda fugly. Mongoose looks way cooler.

Commento di 775971

Can Mongoose be enchanted onto Heirlooms?

Commento di Ravenei

This Enchants EnchantID is 2673

EnchantIDs are used to link enchanted items in game. Unfortunately, Wowhead is unable to perform this through their Comparison feature, yet.. so if you would like to link any item (as an example: Drachira, Requie di Tarecgosa) socketed entirely with Granato Sanguigno Ardito (or any gem for that matter) or enchanted with Mangusta then consult my full post on Brilliant Queen's Garnet for a quick instruction guide.

Commento di Mingle

Mongoose is no longer a good enchant for plate tanks, since we don't gain dodge from Agility any more. All it's going to give you now are crit and haste.

Commento di AzraelMal

I'd say this is now the best boa enchant for agi users since it procs 90 agi and 30 haste from 1-60.

Commento di Galadius

I have seen highly rated posts about this enchants "stacking." Most of those posts are from TBC expac. As of the time of this post I put this enchant on 2 Heirloom daggers on my low level Rogue. It procced once, giving me 65% haste (for the level I was, I think 4 at the time) when it procced a 2nd time (2 buffs) my haste went to 122%.

This tells me that it can stack the buff twice. I don't know what the older posts were saying, or if anything changed with the enchant.

I also noticed that it procs more Agi than Dancing Steel. Thus it is a better enchant for lowbie twinking (I like to play around in the lower brackets)

Hope this helps.

Commento di dual1tyx

For anybody playing 6.0.2 that might now think that this has become a viable enchant once again, it isn't. You will only get 60 of the 120 agility it says you'll get at level 90.
I thought I'd mention this only because on my realm Mongoose now costs more than Dancing Steel on the AH, I can only assume because the stats are higher, other people might make the same mistake in thinking this.

Commento di Casn

No enchant rules forever, my son. But not all of them become so crappy as this one.

It's biggest sin - despite being TBC enchant, it does not reach full effectiveness untill level 70. At lvl 60 you'll only get around 3/4 of it's max effect.

Second point - both Agi and Str give only one point of AP, and no Crit. Huge drop in power.

Finally, there is Valanga. Enchant that raches it's full effect of 100 AP at lvl 61, and even at lvl 1 gives 75 AP. It gives more AP at lvl 1 than Mongoose at lvl 70. Yep.

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Mangusta

Mangusta	Livello 70

2 s di lancio

Strumenti:

Verga Runica d'Incantamento

Reagenti:

Cristallo del Vuoto (6), Frammento Prismatico Grande (10), Essenza Planare Superiore (8), Polvere Arcana (40)

Incanta in modo permanente un'arma da mischia, aumentando occasionalmente l'Agilità di 23 e l'indice di celerità di 6. Non applicabile a un oggetto di livello superiore a 320.

Bottino: Moroes
Zona: Karazhan

Reagenti

	Cristallo del Vuoto (6)
	Frammento Prismatico Grande (10)
	Frammento Prismatico Grande (10)
	Frammento Prismatico Piccolo (30)
	Cristallo del Vuoto Distrutto (5)
	Cristallo del Vuoto (5)
	Essenza Planare Superiore (8)
	Essenza Planare Superiore (8)
	Essenza Planare Inferiore (24)
	Essenza Planare Inferiore (8)
	Polvere Arcana (40)

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0 metri (Self)

Tempo di lancio

2 secondi

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GCD

0 secondi

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Enchant Item: Mangusta (2673)
[PVP Multiplier: ]1

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Genera Alcuna Minaccia
[Ignore Weaponskill]

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