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Story of the Afterlife and Shadowlands - Who Touched Vol'jin's Spirit? - Lore Collab with Nobbel87

Pubblicato 17/03/2019 alle 18:09 da perculia

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Commento di kodora1316 Vol'jin was my favorite warchief throughout my entire time playing WoW. I miss him :( Commento di Vordred \u201cThere was a presence. Something moving in the shadows. Something powerful.\u201d\r
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My money is on the old schemer... N'Zoth. Broken Shore was near where Well of Eternity used to be, right? Commento di Caerule I'm not sure who whispered to Vol'jin. But, for bringing him back? I have a theory there.\r
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Keeper Tyr. The fallen Titan Keeper, who lost his hand to great evil (Galakrond) and replaced it with a silver one. The figure the Silver Hand, Tyr's Hand and Tirisfal Glades are named for.\r
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I think he could be a great candidate for the "Hand of Valor" that now resides in the Shadowlands, looking after the good of Azeroth. Commento di Utigarde This article seems a bit biased against Sylvanas, failing to touch on her reasoning for doing all her stuff with the Val'kyr during Legion, and why she struck a bargain to gain control of Eyir. \r
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The Horde Darkshore Story rewards Brynja's Beacon, which turns all Spirit Healers into Val'kyr. In this questline, the concept of Forsaken and free will is called into question as several raised Night Elves formerly hated Sylvanas. The flavor text on this item, "It is said that only the most powerful can dominate the wills of the risen," implies that perhaps there is something more to the newly-risen Night Elves.\r
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This part in particular is a bit disingenuous, and stating interpretation as fact. This doesn't really imply that there is anything with free will to do with the night elven dark rangers at all. In fact, throughout BfA, we've seen that the Val'kyr explicitly raise free willed undead, both with these night elves, and with Derek. If they could raise forsaken bound to their will, there would not be any need for Sylvanas to have to condition Derek. We've had the reasons for the night elves joining the forsaken explained fairly well, both in the introduction questlines and in the warfront itself. They lost faith, and in Sira's case, have personal grudges. Commento di lizymoon I hope Helya and Sylv team up to kick Odyn in the nuts, hate that baffoon. Also, still not over what he did to Helya. Commento di perculia This article seems a bit biased against Sylvanas, failing to touch on her reasoning for doing all her stuff with the Val'kyr during Legion, and why she struck a bargain to gain control of Eyir.

The Horde Darkshore Story rewards Brynja's Beacon, which turns all Spirit Healers into Val'kyr. In this questline, the concept of Forsaken and free will is called into question as several raised Night Elves formerly hated Sylvanas. The flavor text on this item, "It is said that only the most powerful can dominate the wills of the risen," implies that perhaps there is something more to the newly-risen Night Elves.

This part in particular is a bit disingenuous, and stating interpretation as fact. This doesn't really imply that there is anything with free will to do with the night elven dark rangers at all. In fact, throughout BfA, we've seen that the Val'kyr explicitly raise free willed undead, both with these night elves, and with Derek. If they could raise forsaken bound to their will, there would not be any need for Sylvanas to have to condition Derek. We've had the reasons for the night elves joining the forsaken explained fairly well, both in the introduction questlines and in the warfront itself. They lost faith, and in Sira's case, have personal grudges.

I would view it a bit differently; the wording says "implies" and "perhaps" which shows it's an interpretation and not factual. The raising of Delaryn and Sira still seems a bit fishy, even after the PTR revisions--Sylvanas specifically gave orders to raise Delaryn which to me implies that there's a degree of humiliation in specifically seeking out the fallen commander to parade in front of the Night Elves, as well as Arthas parallels going on, where her former opponent must now serve. Perhaps it is bad quest writing, but it seems off that both elves, after being so loyal to the Night Elves, do a 180 personality change and fight in the Warfront with a vengeance. Sira was just fighting for Tyrande minutes ago. The 8.1 questline also shows that the val'kyr are raising more races than before, which also points to something changing\/strengthening with their powers (or Sylvanas' orders), and we also have evidence of a raised Blood Elf.

The choice of flavor text is also a bit curious. It could be something generic like "A token of remembrance for our fallen sister. Our numbers are so small now," referencing Signe's line at the end of the quest, but instead makes the player reflect on the concept of free will.

Regardless of what control Sylvanas exerts over others, I believe she would still need to raise Derek specifically for her plan of infiltrating the Proudmoores--his unique position as Jaina's brother sets him apart from others she could believably raise and infiltrate the family.

You may also find the Odyn and Helya collaboration more interesting about Sylvanas and Eyir, as there's a section on the Stormheim questing. Nobbel has also done a few videos just on Sylvanas, as well as the short story "Edge of Night." It's a tough call figuring out what details to keep in when there's epic characters involved, and maintain scope\/focus in an article. Maybe once we have a few more details on Sylvanas we'll do a collaboration just on her recent Legion\/BFA actions. Commento di Xalea What an amazing article. Thanks so much for all this great analysis! Commento di Grortraugh Fully expecting a Shadowlands raids at some point Commento di wardenm I've been saying it forever dang it... KEL'THUZAD! According to last we heard from Blizz, he's still 'alive' and kicking, somewhere in the Shadowlands. Think about it. He's the only major death power we've not interacted with on the matter. All of Blizzard's other recent references to death, the Lich King, and past events. The similarities between Sylvanas and Arthas ever since she became warchief. His promise to be back more powerful than our comprehension. The philosophical similarities between the Cult of Forgotten Shadow and the Cult of the Damned. ...He's using her to ready the world for his return! Next expansion, or at least the .2 or .3 phase of it, will see us venturing into the Shadowlands while still alive, just wait and see. Phased versions of some existing zones all spookified or somesuch. XD Commento di MaraSedai1313 Ok, I love Nobbel but that was a 30 minute long video that told us absolutely nothing we didnt already know. Total waste of time. Very disappointed in you Nobbel Commento di Uchur Ok, I love Nobbel but that was a 30 minute long video that told us absolutely nothing we didnt already know. Total waste of time. Very disappointed in you Nobbel

Not everyone know the Warcraft's lore so well. I'm sure many watchers can learn something new from this video. Please take it into account next time. Commento di Darksquid I will overlook the fact that the whole post seems completely biased towards Sylvanas and "hinting" towards sylvanas becoming Garrosh #2 and killed by players and present my personal speculation that i feel like ppl who read novels and chronicles and know so much about lore should have known.\r
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The Void told Aleria to kill Sylvanas because their FEAR her. The undeath is immune to the Old God's whispers, which is heavily hinted in the whole Wotlk xpac, where Yogg'saron was openly trying to manipulate the Lich King but not very effective as it seems and in one of the chronicles it says that N'zoth is afraid of sylvanas because he cannot whisper and corrupt her.\r
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Did no1 srsly consider the fact that Azeroth herself might be behind all the major events from appointing Sylvie to Warchief and "divine" touching Vol'jin? A being of Azeroth's magnitude certainly knew that using the 5 pillars of creation to shut the portal in Tomb of sargeras down, would release Nzoth from his prison. That would mean that every race living on the planet would be susceptible to the whispers. Who would be better equipped to lead the armies against N'zoth than some1 who controls undeath? I m not arguing that Sylv's actions as warchief are honorable or correct, but i m saying that there is a pattern here. She didnt want the alliance to have any port in the kalimdor to unload azerite so she planned on conquering Darnassus and cleverly lured malfurion into an open battle only to test Saurfangs loyalty to her. When he failed to deliver the killing blow to Malfurion Sylvie knew that taking the city would cost many lives so it was better for her to burn the city than capture it. The goal is achieved either way. I believe Sylvanas has been approached by Azeroth in visions or dreams and made aware that the entire planet except from herself and her forsaken are alrdy being corrupted by N'zoth (even magni is hinted to have been made a pawn based on Ilgynoth's whisper : "THE KING OF DIAMONDS HAS BEEN MADE A PAWN"), so Sylvanas is to single handendly prepare the world for war against the Void, while having to fight a war against alliance and possibly horde characters who might alrdy be corrupted by N'zoth. \r
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Also with Bolvar being hinter to return in BFA ( totally my speculation) , i see Sylvanas either killing him or taking his place to become the Lich Queen, becoming the ultimate weapon against N'zoth ultimately sacrificing herself to defeat him or just retiring to Icecrown to be the Jailor of the damned so she can be removed from the Horde. Commento di Utigarde \r
The choice of flavor text is also a bit curious. It could be something generic like "A token of remembrance for our fallen sister. Our numbers are so small now," referencing Signe's line at the end of the quest, but instead makes the player reflect on the concept of free will.\r
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Regardless of what control Sylvanas exerts over others, I believe she would still need to raise Derek specifically for her plan of infiltrating the Proudmoores--his unique position as Jaina's brother sets him apart from others she could believably raise and infiltrate the family.\r
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You misunderstand what I mean. I'm not saying Derek isn't required, he is. I'm saying that if the val'kyr were the "most powerful beings" that the toy talks about, they would be able to dominate Derek's mind. Why would Sylvanas risk her plan on spending weeks having to condition Derek if she could simply mind control him, and have him pretend to be the man he was? \r
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The val'kyr have always had to connect to more powerful beings to be able to raise full undead. This is seen with both Eyir and Arthas, and when they are not connected to more powerful beings, they are significantly weakened by raising even one fully formed undead, as seen with Nathanos. If this applies to the state of the bodies of those they raise, would it not apply to their minds as well? Commento di dek1979 I dont want sylvanas to die off anymore she's my sexy waifu of the horde <.< >.> Commento di Sedlina Vol'jin was my favorite warchief throughout my entire time playing WoW. I miss him :(\r
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you mean the warchief who did nothing for the one xpac he actually had the job - and then got axed by a random felguard? Commento di kodora1316 Vol'jin was my favorite warchief throughout my entire time playing WoW. I miss him :(

you mean the warchief who did nothing for the one xpac he actually had the job - and then got axed by a random felguard?

Yes, that one.

Better than Thrall, who abandoned his post and his people. (Yes, I realize he had good reasons. His abandonment still led directly to Garrosh.)
Better than Garrosh, the homicidal maniac.
Better than Sylvanas, the even more homicidal maniac. Commento di Maljinwo \r
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you mean the warchief who did nothing for the one xpac he actually had the job - and then got axed by a random felguard?\r
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You mean the warchief that was actually respected by every leader, secured a long-needed peace, took back the Horde from a madman, rebuilt the decimated faction after its civil war even allowing them to have a permanent presence in Draenor and that was mourned by every Horde race after his 'death'? Commento di Kuroshirosama I created a theory based on the recent changes and BoD plot.\r
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Focusing on the recent revamp on Uther's tomb and the interaction with the Lich King, i'm pretty sure they're focusing in bring Kel'thuzad back and now you ask: Why him?\r
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Kel'thuzad in the events of Warcraft III has proved to be able to materialize to a single specific being and communicate in the form of a spirit like any other loa. I'm pretty sure the one who whispered Vol'jin was him and now my guesses are:\r
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1. Kel'thuzad have allied with wither an random Old God in order to achiev a goal or Sargeras himself, but i can't think of anything.\r
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2. Either this is a long plot to bring Lich King back. Since Legion the heroes are twisting with the bonds of life and death, Val'kyr bringing people back from the certain death, killing Helya and now the possible fall of the Loa of the Dead himself.\r
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But why now? Simple. The contents of the Book of Medivh are still a mystery in the plot but 2 people have stolen it's knowledge and it was Kel'thuzad and Ner'zhul(Lich King), the same book who was used to open portals between Azeroth and Draenor which full capabilities are still unkown. A perfect opportunity to open a path between the world of the living and the world of the dead. The last trigger they're probably seeking is the death of Sylvanas, by making her Warchief is the perfect chance to get her out of their path. \r
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However, lost souls of heros may also benefit from this situation, making a perfect chance to Uther, who felt the presence of the lich plotting to prevent Vol'jin from being sent to the realm of the dead to serve as a messenger to warn the heroes of Azeroth of the return of the Lord of the Dead. Commento di GullaDaPwna My money is on Vol'jin becoming a Loa, many loa have died in the past few years, a new one is not a strange thing. Commento di jblosun I feel like we're seeing the end set up here. After we fight N'Zoth, we fight its creators. And after the Void Lords... what's left to fight, but Death itself? I'm betting we've got about 3 more years of WoW as an actively developed game.

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