"but Alex clearly had a sense of what the fan reaction was going to be.""What Alex says is... Be patient."Why do I have the feeling he means more about how Horde players might feel bad about not being victimized (as it happened so often in the past) and not about the fact they just wiped out Night Elves to the point they're nothing but hobos in Stormwind?"they'd rather have you find out by yourself. "Which means, pay us for the sub and get yourself dragged into a pile of timegating while you wait for two quests next week!"The story is there to make you feel something, and anger is, too, an emotion. Sometimes it's happiness, sometimes it's sadness, sometimes it's excitement."Sometimes, it's just there to throw one race under the bus, turning them into another Gnome sidekick so the Humans can be the unscathed heroes as usual.Yea, keep doing your amazing work buddy. Everyone is so eager to see yet another pile of footman swinging their sticks with their generic king behind. Such quality, much narrative, WoW!
How is it unrealistic that the different members of the Horde don't do anything against Sylvanas' actions?If you take away the fact, that we can all be rezzed by players or Spirit Healers, the main story characters can never get rezzed that way (with a few exceptions though, I know). So imagine standing up and tall against Sylvanas, dooming yourself by getting ressurected by her to be an Undead minion or to just shut up and kill your enemy which we all do almost all the time in PvP (yes, story-wise we're doing nothing else than Sylvanas except the fact that we can get rezzed as I mentioned earlier). So get down from your ivory tower, embrace this lore, accept your anger towards Sylvanas as a "living" being - most of you mention things about her as a story-mistake just because you don't like her actions doesn't mean her actions are bad story-wise. But either way some of you will say that this story was bad: Sylvanas gets good, sacrifices herself, dies an honorful death or what else -> bad story; Sylvanas goes bat%^&* crazy like Garrosh -> bad story. They can't make it right for some of you, so either live with the story they're telling and play the game, ignore the story or just come back after BfA but hating against everything they do is kinda annoying by now. Some books start slow and evolve like hell after quite a while, so maybe just be patient.And as a last comparison why the members of the Horde are doing nothing: take a dictatorship as example, only a few open their mouth to do something against it, most of the population keep their mouth shut and obey; always been like that, always will be!
So this doesn’t really explain the inconsistency of Saurfang hitting Malfurion from behind, or Sylvanas having a “tender” moment before she torched the tree, or Sylvanas not killing Malfurion herself when she had the chance. None of these were believable actions in the moment. Can’t wait for BFA to see how they explain it.
Welp, I can see many people not being patient at all and drawing their own conclusions. And many here are not liking the story so they say the story isn't good. A good story does not have to please you if all you care about is how YOU want the story to be. It's not possible to please everyone. I have great confidence that big revelations will happen along the entirety of BfA. I am, also, confident that many people will not like the result and will even say Blizzard is being cheesy, cliche or that they changed the story to try and please the current complainers. The fact is that many people tend to not accept what they dislike and try to use previous storylines as an example of what is wrong or what they think is going to happen. Again, patience. And if after all is done and seen, you do not like the story, that is your preference. Reaching the preferences of everyone is not what makes a story good. Though this is not the only requirement, stirring emotions on the target audience is one of the important points. Currently there are all sorts of emotions out there. I say this is good. No, this is great! It makes people rage, cry, despair, hope! How do you think the denizens of Azeroth are reacting to all of this? They feel the same as all of you! Both them and us will have to wait longer to see if we're going to fall into greater depths of evil or if our hope in the Light will be answered with salvation. Whichever the case, we have to wait, patiently. I am enjoying all of this. Great job, Blizzard!
I don't care what your plan for the story is, burning civilians including children, should not be part of anything players are expected to be involved in. I'll help kill alliance forces anytime, but the tree burning was total #$%^. Children are supposed to be off limits and untargerable in this game, has that changed? Is that where we want to go?
Personally, I have found the lore compelling since Orcs & Humans, when it was just flavour text in a video game manual and campaign story line. It's come a very long way since then, and been expanded upon with each new sequel, expansion, and patch. The scope of the lore now is massive and growing all the time.I certainly appreciate the tremendous amount of work done and the creativity required. And in the expansive lore, there's always been the potential for conflicting stories, paradoxes, and just plain errors. And there was never a whisper of hope that it would please everyone. In fact, that would be a grossly unrealistic expectation.Some people will be dissatisfied with parts of the story, regardless of how that story goes. Aggravating these complaints are a sense of entitlement some folks seem to have developed over the years. They've (willingly) invested a great deal of time and money on the franchise and for some reason feel that this conveys some sense of responsibility on Blizzard to produce content to their personal liking. Blizzard can and does produce whatever they like - that's what companies do. This is naturally mitigated by what will sell, and Blizzard already pays heed to the player community in order to produce content that will make them money and keep the majority of players subscribing.There will ALWAYS be those folks who think Blizzard owes them something for their $15 a month, regardless of the fact that their subscription pays only for play time, not content development.I honestly don't see the point in raging over it one way or another, or making demands of Blizzard. For myself, I try not to have much in the way of expectation, but instead to see what comes, enjoy it or not, and decide to play or not based on that experience. We all vote with our subscription. Whining is pointless.
Garrosh rages war on strategic points,everyone: REEEEEE HOW CAN YOU DO THIS IM QUITTING HORDE #NOTMYHORDE LETS KILL HIMSylvanas rages war on strategic points,everyone: Hmm,agreeable let's help her! Me Saurfang,me deep character!I wouldn't care but it's basically what Garrosh did and somehow the Horde still stands behind her? come on nowAfter they made Garrosh from being the best Warchief who raged war in Cata into the generic cliche Villain in their filler expansion I stopped caring about the Horde and even the lore.Vol'jin did absolutely NOTHING in WoD. Now Sylvanas does all those things (Stormheim etc.) and no one cares.Seems bull%^&* to me
How about they talk about the terrible Alliance storyline? Once again the Alliance is only there to react against the Horde, they never take the initiative, and any race that isn't human is completely ignored or degraded into a complete joke. Not to mention that the Alliance still hasn't a clear identity outside of "shining knights with their united allies". What does it mean to fight for the Alliance? What does it mean to be a member of the Alliance? Not to mention that the overall story arc of the Alliance is utterly boring. And instead of fixing this Blizzard throws their hand in the air like, "Yeah we screwed up. Let's go back making the Horde plotline."
So many people take the lore too personally. Get a life.
If this is where they wanted the story to go, then whatever it's their story afterall. The way they went about it is just incredibly bad in my opinion. The events of this war so far from a horde PoV:Week 1)-Take important strategic location-Kill faction leader to weaken the allianceSo far, seems reasonable from horde PoV.Week 2)-Saurfang misclicks heroic throw and does a /sorry at Malfurion-Sylvanas, who is always portrayed as somebody with incredible willpower and a drive to achieve her goals, is baited by a no-name NPC into entirely burning down the strategic point we were moments away from capturing.Eh, ok? This is the worst writing since WoD, maybe even worse.