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Commento di jjanchan

This item can be pickpocketed by Ladros in the Broken Isles. When turned in to Marin Granstrippo, you will gain access to the Uncrowned Vault within the Order Hall, which can net you some interesting treasures. Note that you MUST train La Volta Order Hall Advancement upgrade in order to pickpocket these coins!

Moneta Fortunata di Marin Granstrippo is particularly helpful when gunning for the Subtlety Rogue hidden Artifact Weapon appearance (Tomo dei Veleni Ultraterreni), as you can use it to access the vault multiple times per week (unlike the Order Hall Upgrade listed below, which allows you to access it only once per week).

Marin Granstrippo can be found in the Ladro Order Hall, the Camera delle Ombre. He is the famous creator of the Elisir di Granstrippo!

There is one other way to obtain access to the Uncrowned Vault:

If you train La Volta, the Tier 2 Order Hall Upgrade in Camera delle Ombre, you sometimes obtain a Biglietto delle Segrete on successful completion of an Order Hall mission. This gives you access to the Uncrowned Vault within the Camera delle Ombre, when turned into Marin Granstrippo.

Note that you can only turn in a Biglietto delle Segrete once per week!

NOTE: If you have sent Marin Granstrippo (the champion/follower) on an Order Hall mission, he will not appear (to allow you to turn in your ticket/coin) until the mission has completed!

The Uncrowned Vault contains various interesting treasures! All items are only usable in the Broken Isles.

Each time you access the vault, you will get to choose between a number of different (random) treasures. These will have a purple glow around them in the vault. Choose wisely! You only get to keep ONE object.

Note that the treasures available rotate at certain times - this may be daily or multiple times a day. As such, if you are looking for something in particular, try again on a subsequent attempt, but don't be surprised if the options are the same on back-to-back attempts.
Some users have reported that if they DO NOT loot anything in the Vault, they can keep coming back day after day (indefinitely), checking the treasures for that day in the vault. Apparently this can be done until something is looted.

Some of the items you can obtain are listed below - many are consumable items, but there is also a Toy:

Grosso Sacco Saccheggiato - often contains gold.
Berretto del Creatore d'Ombra dei Senza Corona - BoE purple cosmetic hood and mask. This can sometimes be looted from the Grosso Sacco Saccheggiato.
Coltelli da Lancio Avvelenati (8 charges) - similar to Sap, but with a longer range. Ideal for mobs with stealth detection.
Pacco di Pozioni da Battaglia (4 charges) - grants a random 30-minute buff, from among any of the following:

Pozione dell'Astuzia di Valeera - +10% critical strike chance
Elisir della Velocità di Taoshi - +15% haste
Tonico dell'Agilità di Tess - +5% agility
Mistura da Battaglia di Jorach - +15% critical strike damage
Mistura Evasiva di Garona - +20% dodge chance
Pozione dell'Energia Infinita di Tethys - generate 5 energy every 2 seconds

Stivali Fumanti - grants an additional 15% movement speed while stealthed. Lasts 1 hour.
Tè di Sboccialesto (10 charges) - restores 100 energy.
Polvere di Fumo (10 charges) - acts the same as Sparizione, but does not put Sparizione on cooldown.
Bombe Appiccicose (5 charges) - puts down an AoE bomb that does damage (similar to Engineering bombs of old).
Tomo Rubato della Storia dell'Artefatto - grants 200 (base) Artifact Power to your equipped weapon.
Cassa Sospetta - Toy that disguises you as a crate.

Subtlety Rogue Hidden Artifact Weapon Appearance

The Uncrowned Vault is the way to obtain the hidden Subtlety Ladro Artifact Appearance via Tomo dei Veleni Ultraterreni. See the spoiler tags below for details!

The steps to obtaining the Venombite weapon appearance for Subtlety Rogues is as follows:

Use the Chiave del Tesoro Sepolto Ritrovatos to open the Tesoro Ritrovato di Lei Shens at the rest area after completing the scenario. These chests have a chance to contain Tomo dei Veleni Ultraterreni, which unlocks the hidden appearance!

Commento di kodikun

Turned one of these in to Marin today and was told to take an item from the vault... only there was nothing for me to take. Has anyone else had this problem?

EDIT: As Speon pointed out down below, it appears you must first turn in a Vault Ticket before Marin's rewards will show up for coins. Likely a bug, will be reporting.

EDIT EDIT: It appears you have to turn in a new ticket EACH DAY in order to turn in coins again (Thanks Reddit!) otherwise you will not be able to loot anything. Hopefully this bug gets fixed soon, I recommend everyone reports it!

Commento di 1211734

If anyone else is confused like I was as to how this works: When you turn in the coin, or the voucher, a random treasure around the rooom will become Lootable (Purple Glow). Look around and you'll find it. I turned in a coin and a voucher and couldn't figue out what to do. Eventually I noticed a set of keys with the purple outline hanging on a wall. Clicked them and got 3x Key to the Palace of Lei Shen. There was also a set of bombs to loot. So it does seem that these stay active for a while until you loot them. Turning in the coin and the voucher were probably a few hours apart.

Commento di Kyok

Pickpocketed mine from Ramponiere del Terrore during The Dreadblades artifact scenario.

Commento di Darkr3nder

So I successfully turned in the coin 2 times. But every time I could only see/loot 3 items. Thistle Tea, Some bombs and a Small coil chest which gives gold. But nowhere in the room I saw the keys. I checked the walls, the floor, even did Alt-z so the loot shines. But nothing. Any suggestions?

Commento di Wanderingfox

These are not subject to the weekly limit like the vault ticket is. I was able to use two coins so far this week.

Commento di Rvolner

Is it possible that the items available to be looted change per day/week? I can only see bombs. boots. thistle tea. A
aand vanishing powder. Crate and keys are no where to be found.

Commento di PokerKing

NEED MORE INFO ABOUT THE COIN!

im pickpocketing everybody on the broken isles for the paste 3 days...

not a single coin was found!

Commento di codai

just got one from a feltotem warmonger in highmountain.

Commento di TCHJ3K

Important point to note: If you loot the Sparking Set of Keys first, you can still choose another "proper" prize. The coin is also unique, but there doesn't appear to be a limit on how many you can loot each week, so make sure you turn each one in ASAP after you loot it.

Commento di Happyparoxysm

If you can't find Marin Noggenfogger sitting on his pile of coins, then it is likely that he's been sent out on a mission! When he is your follower, sending him on missions seems to make him unavailable. When I completed the mission he was on he didn't appear right away. He arrived in his usual spot within a couple minutes.

Commento di thebl4ckd0g

Read comments here, before turning in my token, figured I'd see something. But sadly after walking around for 30 mins., nothing has a purple glow or purple outline or anything in here, so I submitted a bug report ingame. :(

Commento di CBergman

Tip when farming the coins:

If you have unlocked Suramar, use your Masquerade-buff to make guards non-hostile, then stealth around and pick their pockets.

Commento di 1697944

Guys im curently looting the key in the vault... and it is respawning! i have 30 so far after 5-10 secs it respawns so keep looting it

Commento di PokerKing

Confirmed.

If you do not have the Vault ticket upgrade in your class Hall, you will NOT be able to pickpocket these coins.

sadly.

Commento di nunopesce10

Looted 2 coins today, when i gave them to Marin has no items to loot in the treasure room.

Commento di Machionette

I'm new to this kind of stuff but it might be helpful. I personally pickpocket the gilnean forces which you need to kill as Horde for the pvp world quest. Once I pickpocketed everyone I usually have a coin or two. Sometimes I have to kill a few of the gilnean troops to make the respawn. But I get at least about 5 coins every hour there.

I farm them at the point above Stormtorn Foothills in Stormheim. Worked out prettty well so far. I DID finish the vault ticket quest first before farming the coins. I don't know if that's needed

EDIT: I just did the vault ticket quest again after a week and the rewards changed accordingly. However, I did turn in the coin first with no rewards. I can hereby confirm that you have to turn in the vault ticket weekly first BEFORE you turn in the coin or it just doesn't come up with rewards.

Commento di Xastral

Well its Confirmed.You cannot get Coin if u do not have the Vault Ticket upgrade ( So far everybody on this Forums and ingame that i have talked say the same thing and i have over 8 hour farm and none (without the vault ticket upgrade)

Commento di MUHKehrin

Twice now I have gotten nothing from turning the coin in. I have the Vault update, and have successfully received loot from the Coin before.

Is there really no time limit or is this just a bug ?

Commento di ExtremeDf

I have handed in the ticket plus multiple coins and have yet to see the Keys appear. So I am kinda confused whatever I am missing something.

Commento di Xastral

Does anybody know if there is a Rotation about the item Spawning or im just unlucky did 20 coin and alway Bomb/Tea/Smoke/boots

Commento di Graileon

So after having issues two separate times turning in and 2 separate GM tickets, this was the final response I got from Blizzard (P.S. such a waste of time) *Edit* I had turned in 2 tickets and a total of 5 coins after them and only received rewards for the tickets*

This is Game Master Strybur. Following the launch of Legion Customer Support has received quite a large number of contacts. In an effort to help as many people as possible you might find this response to be a bit more brief than normal. We highly appreciate your time, patience, and understanding throughout this launch as we continue our efforts in reducing our ticket wait times.

With this in mind, let's get right down to it. After a review of your ticket it appears that the bug being reported is a known issue that we are currently aware of. As of right now we don't have an ETA as to when this will be resolved but we are working diligently to get this working as soon as possible.

I did hop on your character to do some additional testing and get the extra details forwarded on. Likewise, if you come across any other examples, please continue to "Submit Bug" reports on those. As soon as we get any updates or workarounds, we'll post them on our Bug Report Forum and website over at us.battle.net. In the interim, there isn't much else we can do in this case.

Here are some links to the fansites as well in case the community comes up with unofficial workarounds in the interim.

Moneta Fortunata di Marin Granstrippo/marin-noggenfoggers-lucky-coin#comments

Biglietto delle Segrete

I know that this isn't the answer you were looking for but highly appreciate your time and patience while this is being looked into.

Thank you for your time, patience, and understanding my friend.

To review your ticket, please follow the link above. If your issue has been addressed, you'll be able to resolve the ticket. If the issue is not yet resolved, you can file a response with additional information.

If you do not resolve the ticket or provide any further response within one week, the ticket will be resolved automatically and you'll receive a final update via email.

Commento di hopechild

Hey guys!

So you get this thing from pickpocketing mobs on the broken isles when u have the vault ticket thing in your hall learned :)

Then you bring it to Marin Noggenfogger to get a reward. They vary.
I'd suggest take the keys until u have the hidden appearance for your sub weapon then try out whatever u like.
Some of them are just helpfull, fun or combat boosts.

just talked to a GM.
It's intentional that you don't get something everytime!

He said Noggenfogger is... a rogue :D

You might get useless stuff sometimes too...

Commento di psipress

The way this is bugged is weird. Or maybe its suppose to be this way, but I doubt it.

Don't bother turning a coin in unless you have a ticket.

Once you turn in a ticket, choose your loot. Once you have looted an item from the ticket, then you talk to Marin and turn in your coin. At that point items spawn again, and you loot an item. Go out and get another coin, turn it in, more loot shows up. You can do this endlessly in a single day period.

The catch for this is the ticket turn in expires every day. They changed the ticket turn in so you can do it once a day instead of once a week. So that means, if you get another coin days later, if you try to turn it in nothing will spawn. UNLESS, you turn in a ticket first.

They should have kept it exactly the way it was. One ticket a week, and as many coins as you find during that weekly period. OR, make the coins not unique.

Commento di Xastral

Today Rotation have Key in it (Sargeras-us)

Commento di Sugarbjorn

A special reminder for all of you. If Marin Noggenfogger is on a mission you can't turn in your coin.

Commento di RASProductions

For anyone trying to get these faster/more easily, I use macros for my stealth abilities that have pick pocket included, so I automatically pick anything I engage from stealth. I currently have it on Shadowstep, Sap, Cheap Shot, and Mutilate. (You'll need auto loot on of course.)

#showtooltip (Chosen skill, no parenthesis)
/cast Pick Pocket
/cast (Chosen skill, no parenthesis)

You can omit the first line, however putting it in the macro and using the original icon makes it look like the original unchanged skill, but with a free instant pickpocket.

An example macro would look like as follows:
#showtooltip Ambush
/cast Pick Pocket
/cast Ambush

Also, oddly enough, this frequently causes your disguise, from the glyph if you have it, to not fall off upon entering combat with your target.

Happy hunting

Commento di ifeelikepanda

so i have the vault order advancement and the vault ticket.. i got the coins i needed legit like the first 2 or 3 pick pockets in surumar city and for the last 3 days for w.e reason i have been pick pocketing for countless hrs trying to get another coin (i tried other humanoids in different broken isle zones) and i just cant seem to get one. Am i missing something or was there maybe a rng nerf on the coin drop ?

Commento di ShanksGonnaShank

I obtained my vault ticket on Saturday. It gave me a choice to obtain Chiave del Tesoro di Lei Shen.

AFTER GETTING THIS I WENT AND PICKPOCKETED FOR Moneta Fortunata di Marin Granstrippo THE COIN LETS YOU PICK ANOTHER ITEM FROM THE VAULT. I THEN PICKED UP THE KEY AGAIN. FOR ALL WHO DO NOT KNOW IF YOU GIVE THE KEY TO Taoshi. You'll be directed to the single player scenario. The scenario has a chance to drop the Subtlety's hidden appearance.
This is a loophole to obtain multiple keys if you do not get it the first time.(##RESPBREAK##)2##DELIM##Sas148##DELIM##

Commento di Railguy

As of today, 10/24, nearly 2 months into the expansion, this is STILL bugged. It won't let you pick a reward unless you turn in a vault ticket right before it. Hopefully they fix this in 7.1, but its still incredibly disappointing for such a big bug to be around for so long.

Commento di Vifor

I risked one Moneta Fortunata di Marin Granstrippo today without turning in a Vault Ticket first. And surprise, I goot loot (I picket a Chiave del Tesoro di Lei Shen). So it got fixed. FINALLY.
Too bad that the "find" rate for Moneta Fortunata di Marin Granstrippo it seems to have been reduced at the same time. Maybe is just my impression, or maybe is just another of the Blizzard's famous "is now working as originally intended"™.
And of course, there is not a word of any of those changes in the patch notes.

Update:

From what I have seen so far, the loot changes daily. Aka if you get some loot you do not want is pointless to retry in the same day, you will get the same loot over and over for both Moneta Fortunata di Marin Granstrippo and Vault Ticket turn-ins.
The loot seems to differ for each character, some ppl might get lucky, others might not. You might even end up with same loot several days in a row. It happened to me.

Commento di uvsmile

i didnt get any quest notification even so i gave it to him. a vanishing powder appeared on the floor. just go give it to him.

Commento di 216531

I've only ever had the coin bug out when I tried to turn it in right after Marin got back from a mission. Solution: leave the hall and come back before giving him the coin. Works every time, no vault ticket needed.

Commento di ZombieEris

ITs not stated on the npc it can be pick pocketed from but the Risen Assassins in Val'Sharah, (the Bradens Brook area) I was on the quest Children of the Night and the others along with it, and i was pick pocketing the mobs and one dropped, came here looking what it was for. I had the hall talent set to the vault and it finished as after i logged on (not sure if that had anything to do with it dropping or not)

Commento di Tequima

Summarising some of the information in the above posts and on other threads:
Vault tickets and Lucky Coins

Marin Granstrippo has a chance to return from a mission with a Biglietto delle Segrete. You can choose the class hall option La Volta for all missions to have an extra chance to return with a ticket. You can use a ticket once a day (previously weekly). If you use the App to complete missions, the ticket (if won) should be in your bags when you log in.
If you pick-pocket Moneta Fortunata di Marin Granstrippo, then you can ONLY turn this in to Marin Granstrippo if both (a) you have redeemed a vault ticket today and (b) Marin isn't currently on a mission. You can turn in multiple coins a day. The coins are unique, so you have to return to the vault after each successful pickpocket to redeem them.
Marin will take ALL the tickets in your inventory. If you are lucky to get more than one, put the rest in your bank.
You can only loot one item per ticket. Choose with care. They've fixed most of the exploits that allowed multiple loots per attempt.

Potential Loot
To add to jjanchan'ts list, your priority to loot will probably be:

Sparkling Keys (on the pillar to the left of where you enter the vault) - Chiave del Tesoro di Lei Shen - chance for Subtlety Rogue hidden appearance (start scenario by handing in to Taoshi, loot as many burial trove keys as possible in the time limit)
Cassa Misteriosa (on top of the mat in front of Marin) - Cassa Sospetta - toy
Grosso Sacco Saccheggiato (between Marin and the artefact upgrade section) - gold or Berretto del Creatore d'Ombra dei Senza Corona
Tomo Rubato della Storia dell'Artefatto (on the right as you enter the vault) - Tomo Rubato della Storia dell'Artefatto 200 (level 0) to 50,000 (level 25) artefact power to your currently equipped weapon (not to the "targeted weapon" indicated in the tool tip)
Other items such as Scatola di Pugnali da Lancio - Coltelli da Lancio Avvelenati

Outlaw Rogue's Trova Tesori ability will show what treasures are up on the mini-map. Most of the flavour items are only usable on the Broken Isles, i.e. not in instances such as dungeons, raids and battlegrounds. The list of items changes daily, so if you get the option for Sparkling Keys, it's time to farm coins!

Commento di schmilblick

How to farm the keys correctly as i did :

As far as i know, Chiave del Tesoro di Lei Shen from Marin Noggenfogger treasures only drop from Mazzo di Chiavi Luccicante and you can find up to three keys per loot. one loot per coin.

- Wait for Sparking Set of Keys spawn day to start farming coins.
- Take a movement speed buff / potion
- Realmhopping addon
- Pickpocket mouseover macro

/stopattack
/cast Pick Pocket
/cleartarget

- the best spot to farm those is Suramar with the disguise, 45.76, a crowded place with the just one stealth braking guard.
- if you are too lucky farming the coin and your HS is on colldown, don't forget to use the WOD one

Do not start the scenario until you get enough keys to not lose your time, they stack to 100, so take you time.

Commento di Cr00xY

OK, I pickpocket all the time, I have the trait researched long ago, and I have NEVER got any of these coins? Have they changed something or what's the deal actually? All I ever get is small amount of copper :/

Commento di Mogster1234

How lucky can it really be if he keeps losing it?

Commento di Shaliran

People here say that the coin should be returned after a ticket is redeemed. However, handing in the ticket, then the coin will NOT give you any more choices or loot chances than the ticket alone. So, returning the coin after a ticket makes you lose the coin as well. I don't know if this item is of any use and in what order it should be used to actually work.

Commento di Telanore

Turned this in on tuesday evening (around 22:00-ish) and didn't find the Keys for the Subtlety artifact skin. Decided to wait until the following day (after server restarts, EU servers), and could no longer pick up an item. Don't know if this is purely due to the server restarts, or if you have a limited time to pick up your item.

Commento di sarphog

ATTENTION

Do NOT try to pickpocket random mobs in hopes to get this item without having The Vault perk in your class order hall.

I tried farming for the coin for hours without getting it, and the literal first pickpocket after I got the perk, I had this item drop for me. I can't confirm that you need the perk to get it, but I find it highly suspicious that it decided to drop so quickly after changing my perks.

Commento di LiriellGarrosh

My rogue finished The Vault class hall upgrade earlier today (08/16/17) and pickpocketed 2 coins (got 1, turned it in, picked keys, went out and got another coin, turned it in, picked keys again) without having received or turned in a Vault Ticket. After finishing the second mission in Throwing SI:7 Off the Trail, I got a Vault Ticket. I'm wondering if I should save the Vault Ticket until tomorrow, or if it is no longer necessary for the coin turn-ins.

Commento di Valexena

Just pickpocketed one from a Felsworn Adept on the Isle of the Watchers.

Commento di Ouroborouspriest

I always pickpocket around greywatch and runewood in Stormheim. Anyways I tend to finish groups even after I get my coin, if you find another coin but cant loot it because it is unique you can turn your coin in and go back and loot the other coin from the same mob. Tested this out quite a few times tonight as I was farming up about 30 keys for the hidden sub appearance.

Commento di Eighjan

Something tells me that these can disappear from your bags while logged out; sent Marin on a mission that lasted a good while & pickpocketed a Coin while he was 'out'. Logged back in the next day, after Mission had finished to find no coin in my bags... not sure if these coins are considered 'Conjured', but if not something about them must make them disappear.

Commento di shamster

Apparently if you already have a coin in your inventory, and you pickpocket a mob who also has it, it stays on the mob until you've looted it. I pickpocketed a coin, found another, ported to hand it in, and returned to continue. I found another coin, and when I came to the previous mob that had it, it was still there.

Commento di Gordolfo

You are supposed to loot from the vault you are in. If you are clueless like me, you don't notice the shiny loot, then log out, and then lose your loot.

Commento di MoarHeroisms

Like money? I like money. If that's all you want, I recommend these rewards:

1) Grosso Sacco Saccheggiato contains copper BUT ALSO an Berretto del Creatore d'Ombra dei Senza Corona which can be auctioned for between 2k and 10k.
2) Mazzo di Chiavi Luccicante lets you queue for a brief treasure scenario yielding more gold depending on effort (mindless looting got me 200) plus some MoP-related goodies.
3) And if you just want easy money, Tomo Rubato della Storia dell'Artefatto vendors for 25 gold.

Commento di zerent

I've began farming Marin Noggenfogger's Lucky Coin. I've made sure that I've built the Vault but still there's no drops and I've pickpocketed/killed close to 200 mobs which have fairly high droprate.

Something must be wrong. Anyone here have any idea?

Commento di Swimmed

The suramar mobs have the highest pickpocket drop rate for these in my experience as of 9.1.5 Make sure to have The Vault unlocked and Marin Noggenfogger NOT on a mission.

Commento di Magicos

I was farming Bindings of the Windlord from Dargrul in the dungeon Neltharion's Lair (normal) and started pickpocketing for the fun of it. First run dropped 2 coins, second run dropped 1 coin, third run dropped 3 coins. Too bad you can't hold more than 1 at a time.

Commento di Penaloppe

So for everyone sanity, and a note to my future self, I had to farm 66k Monete d'Aria (with the Lampada Riflettente di Al'abas) before seeing a single Moneta Fortunata di Marin Granstrippo today.

Be sure to have La Volta Hall Upgrade, but don't give up.

Commento di Incrediblz

I literally Have on on me while I have this NPC on a mission and doing some Broken Shore World quests and I have had 5 drop in one area. Why arent they stackable or even bettersent to your mail. I can only imagine how many of these got lost to the Ether for that reason.I will keep suggestion them to be changed to a Unique 5/10/20 stack max and Hopefully blizzard does something. Even though legion is old content they can still fix all the bad choices such as this.

Commento di KrakenLatte

Started to farm these so I can get the key rings and finish the "In the Hall of the Thunder King" achievement. Older comments stated you could loot the keys again the same day by turning in multiple coins.

However, after looting the keys once and then farming a coin and turning that in, the keys were no longer there (yes it was in the same day too)! Anyone else finding this? Is this really a change they made or did mine just glitch out?

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