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Commento di Romire

You know, im sick of all the fighting over the world, Screw your wars, im gonna be a photographer!

Commento di jamesoliff

Maelstrom I am guessing will be in dragon soul? Can't think of another way to get there

Commento di Elyseon

Whatever you do, don't try to take pictures in or near Goldshire.

Commento di 503532

DUCK FACE

Commento di Saphir

Is "Ogrimmar" a new city?

Commento di Nynaeve

My (more organized) guide can be found here on wowhead.

The Dark Portal

Janeiro's Point

Temple of Karabor

Deeprun Tram

Thandol Span

Battle Ring, Gurubashi Arena

Naxxramas

Shattrath City (Outland)

Light's Hope Chapel

Darkshire

Wintergrasp Fortress

Valley of Kings

Throne of the Elements

Mount Neverest

The Stormspire

Blackrock Mountain

Ravenholdt Manor

Uther's Tomb

Throne of Kil'jaeden

Turtle Beach

Halls of Origination

The Frozen Throne

Dalaran

Vale of Eternal Blossoms

Hearthglen

Karazhan

The Deadmines

Wyrmrest Temple

Nordrasil

Deathwing's Fall

The Shaper's Terrace

Vashj'ir

Westfall Lighthouse

The Twin Colossals

Moonglade

Caverns of Time

The Scarab Dais

Echo Isleszone=6453

Daggercap Bay

Sunsong Ranch

Auchindoun (Draenor)

Stormwind & Orgrimmar

Onyxia's Lair	Raid in southern Acquemorte (Wyrmbog) on the continent of Kalimdor
in the middle of the Terre Devastate in Eastern Kingdoms
west of Booty Bay in Capo di Rovotorto in Eastern Kingdoms
temple in the far eastern side of Valle di Torvaluna in Draenor
underground railway between Roccavento (Foresta di Elwynn) and Forgiardente (Dun Morogh) in Eastern Kingdoms
Bridge Between Altopiani d'Arathi and the Paludi Grigie in Eastern Kingdoms
arena in the northeastern side of Capo di Rovotorto in Eastern Kingdoms
raid in the eastern side of Dracombra in Northrend
city in the west side of Foresta di Terokk in Outland
town in the eastern side of the Terre Infette Orientali in Eastern Kingdoms
town in the eastern part of Boscovespro in Eastern Kingdoms
fortress in the northen part of Lungoinverno in Northrend
southwestern corner of Loch Modan in Eastern Kingdoms
northern part of Nagrand in Draenor and/or Outland.
highest peak in Massiccio del Kun-Lai in Pandaria, Pinnacle doesn't count, descend a bit
town on the northernmost floating island of Landa Fatua in Outland
Massiccio Roccianera is a Mountain zone nestled between the Gorgia Rovente and the Steppe Ardenti in the Eastern Kingdoms.
path found northwest of Durnholde Keep in Alture di Colletorto in Eastern Kingdoms.
Uther's Tomb is a monument at Sorrow Hill in Terre Infette Occidentali in Eastern Kingdoms
is a mountain north of Thrallmar in Penisola del Fuoco Infernale in Outland
shore east of the Incursion in the Giungla di Krasarang in Pandaria
The Sale della Creazione is a 5 man instance in Uldum in Kalimdor
the Throne of Re dei Lich in the raid Rocca della Corona di Ghiaccio in Corona di Ghiaccio in Northrend
City in Foresta di Cristallo, in Northrend
zone of Vallata dell'Eterna Primavera in the central part of Pandaria
town in northern area of the Terre Infette Occidentali in the Eastern Kingdoms
raid in the southern part of Valico Ventomorto in Eastern Kindgdoms
southern part of Marche Occidentali in Eastern Kingdoms
gigantic temple in the middle of Dracombra in Northrend
Big tree in Monte Hyjal in Kalimdor
southeast of the Temple of Earth in Rocciafonda in The Maelstrom
above Marshal's Refuge in Cratere di Un'Goro in Kalimdor
underwater continent to the west of Dun Morogh in Eastern Kingdoms
southwest side of Marche Occidentali in Eastern Kingdoms
mountains between Camp Ataya and Dreamer's Rest on the west side of Feralas in Kalimdor
Radaluna a small Druid zone in the northernmost tip of the continent of Kalimdor
midpoint of the eastern side of Tanaris in Kalimdor
northwest of the Scarab Wall (wall outside of Ahn'qiraj: il Regno Perduto) in Silitus in Kalimdor
small islands southeast of Sen'jin Village the coast of Durotar in Kalimdor
is located south of Utgarde Keep in the center of Fiordo Echeggiante in Northrend
the (phased) player-run farm area on the west side of Halfhill in Valle dei Quattro Venti in Pandaria
a large tomb and 5-player instance in Talador in Draenor
city in Foresta di Elwynn in Eastern Kingdoms (req for Ally) / city in Durotar in Kalimdor (req for Horde)

Commento di lovelywaz

Its dangerous to go alone! ... take this !

Commento di 1015778

"I have to defeat this force that is threatening to destroy the world? Okay, I'll do it. But first, lemme take a selfie."

Commento di AmiYuy

Waypoints for TomTom
(Some waypoint codes are different because of a problem with TomTom itself.)

Kalimdor
/way Moonglade 47.73, 65.19
/run TomTom:AddMFWaypoint(606,0,0.62,0.21,{title="Mount Hyjal"})
/way Durotar 45.60, 8.02
/way Durotar 66.18, 81.80
/run TomTom:AddMFWaypoint(141,0,0.52,0.76,{title="Dustwallow Marsh"})
/way Feralas 46.17, 18.67
/way Un'Goro Crater 48.44, 6.85
/way Tanaris 65.12, 49.54
/way Silithus 33.39, 81.14
/way Uldum 71.93, 51.88
/run TomTom:AddMFWaypoint(720,0,0.71,0.51,{title="Uldum"})

Eastern Kingdoms
/way Western Plaguelands 52.48, 83.29
/way Western Plaguelands 45.60, 17.60
/way Eastern Plaguelands 75.97, 53.16
/way Hillsbrad Foothills:Eastern Kingdoms 69.45, 45.50
/way Wetlands 51.14, 10.58
/way Loch Modan 24.47, 72.85
/way Searing Gorge 35.38, 83.07
/way Elwynn Forest 29.28, 39.32
/way Stormwind City 67.03, 34.42
/way Westfall 43.33, 70.41
/way Westfall 30.27, 86.05
/way Duskwood 74.06, 47.09
/way Deadwind Pass 45.17, 78.92
/run TomTom:AddMFWaypoint(19,0,0.54,0.49,{title="Blasted Lands"})
/way The Cape of Stranglethorn 46.59, 25.27
/way The Cape of Stranglethorn 35.10, 64.13
/way Vashj'ir 53.83, 55.18

Deepholm
/way Deepholm 61.64, 60.40

Outland
/way Netherstorm 44.75, 36.66
/way Hellfire Peninsula 61.50, 18.03
/way Terokkar Forest 32.12, 24.10

Northrend
/way Crystalsong Forest 27.79, 35.49
/way Wintergrasp 49.86, 24.10
/way Icecrown 54.19, 86.16
/way Dragonblight 60.15, 55.08
/way Dragonblight 87.83, 46.45
/way Howling Fjord 61.99, 58.06

Pandaria
/way Kun-Lai Summit 43.5, 53.2
/way Vale of Eternal Blossoms 43.47, 44.32
/way Valley of the Four Winds 52.91, 49.54
/run TomTom:AddMFWaypoint(857,0,0.72,0.32,{title="Krasarang Wilds"})

Draenor
/way Shadowmoon Valley:Draenor 70.08, 46.67
/way Talador 47.09, 72.75
/way Nagrand:Draenor 72.00, 19.41

Commento di Bizilica

The Maelstrom has been removed and is no longer required for this achievement.

Commento di Xozus

/way Talador 47.09, 72.75 this is impossible for me to reach - anyone else having any luck?

Commento di Rakenessaa

Thought I'd share my strat I plan on using this weekend when I can flight-path and watch Netflix at the same time… might make things even easier to set your hearth to Shrine. I’ll be using my Garrison Hearth, Cloak of Coordination (Org teleport), and Signet of the Kirin Tor (Dalaran port).

Let me know if anything is wrong! I did this kind of late at night lol.

Horde Player Guide

Start in Orgrimmar:

Orgrimmar
(port to and back:) Nordrasil - Mount Hyjal
(port to and back:) Deathwing’s Fall - Deepholm (58, 58)
Vashj’ir

Dalaran Ring to Dalaran:

Dalaran
Wintergrasp Fortress - Wintergrasp (59, 20)
The Frozen Throne - Icecrown (After doing ICC, tele-ring back to Dal)
Naxxramas - Dragonblight (Entrance @ 87, 50)
Wyrmrest Temple - Dragonblight (61, 53)
Daggercap Bay - Howling Fjord (59, 75 - just east of Valgarde)

Garrison hearth, fly to:

Auchindoun - Talador (Inside instance - entrance @ 46, 73 - take Retribution Point FP)
Temple of Karabor - Draenor, SMV (Far east)

Dalaran Ring to Org, port to Pandaria:

Turtle Beach - Krasarang Wilds (71, 32 - east of The Incursion)
Sunsong Ranch - Valley of the Four Winds (your old farm - 51, 48)
Vale of Eternal Blossoms - Vale of Eternal Blossoms
Mount Neverest - Kun-lai Summit (I went to the top hehe - 46, 52)

Portal in Shrine of Two Moons to Shatt:

Shattrath City
Throne of the Elements - Nagrand (61, 23)
Throne of Kil’jaeden - Hellfire Pennisula (57, 22)
The Stormspire - Netherstorm (44, 37)

Guild Cloak to Orgrimmar:

Moonglade (prepare thy Netflix - long flight paths ahead)
Echo Isles - Durotar (45, 47)
Onyxia’s Liar - Dustwallow Marsh (Entrance @ 52, 75)
The Twin Colossals - Feralas (Far north, road leading in - 46, 19)
The Scarab Dias - Silithus (34, 80 - before the AQ zone)
The Shaper’s Terrace - Un’Goro (Far east - 81, 45)
Halls of Origination - Uldum (Entrance @ 71, 52)
Caverns of Time - Tanaris (Far east)

Garrison hearth, Warspear, Undercity (or Shrine hearth, Undercity):

Hearthglen - Western Plaguelands (FP here - 44, 18)
Uther’s Tomb - Western Plaguelands (South - 51, 82)
Light’s Hope - Eastern Plaguelands (Far east)
Ravenholdt Manor - Hillsbarad Foothills (NW of Durnholde Keep, cave in the mountains - 67, 46)
Thandol Span - Wetlands (Right as you're flying in the zone from the north - 50, 11)
Valley of Kings - Loch Modan (SW of the zone)
Blackrock Mountain - Burning Steppes (West)
Deeprun Tram - Elwynn Forest - Stormwind City
Westfall Lighthouse - Westfall (Far SW - 30, 85)
Deadmines - Westfall (Entrance @ 42, 71 - inside the Defias Hideout building)
Darkshire - Duskwood (Far east)
Karazhan - Deadwind Pass (South)
The Dark Portal - Blasted Lands (Obvi...)
Battle Ring, Gurubashi Arena - Stranglethorn (NW)
Janerio’s Point - Stranglethorn (South, big statue on the island just out of Booty Bay)

Edit: I've updated my Halls of Origination mistake (Halls of Lightning and Halls of Stone got me confused). I'm also adding coordinates as I complete the achievement.
Edit: Complete! Look for my screenshot :)

Commento di Zandjil

As I did the Field Photographer Achievement, I made sure to keep track of the places I got credit for the pictures.

I've added this data into the coding below, which will work with the TomTom addon. I've also made sure to add notations to each waypoint, so that you know where you're going and what, if anything, you might need to do at the point.
Some places you have to enter instances, even kill bosses, to get to the specified places. I've also tried to grab the most logical locations you'd get to when going these places, either by Flight Points or your own mount.

A few points have redundant lines, this is because of a bug in TomTom.

Also, I've added both Orgrimmar and Stormwind to the list, be aware that you only have to take a picture in the city of your faction.

I recommend using the Paste addon for easy adding of all the lines at once, for those using that, there's a full piece of code at the bottom without any linebreakers.

It was very fun going around to all these places, I really enjoyed it, I hope you will too, and that my little list here will make it a bit easier for you :)

Draenor
/way Shadowmoon Valley:Draenor 70 50 Temple of Karabor
/way Talador 46 74 Auchindoun (Enter instance)
/way Nagrand:Draenor 73 21 Throne of the Elements

Eastern Kingdom
/way The Cape of Stranglethorn 35 64 Janerio's Point
/way The Cape of Stranglethorn 47 26 Battle Ring, Gurubashi Arena
/way Blasted Lands 56 47 The Dark Portal
/run TomTom:AddMFWaypoint(19,0,0.54,0.47,{title="The Dark Portal"})
/way Deadwind Pass 47 75 Karazhan (Enter instance)
/way Duskwood 77 44 Darkshire
/way Westfall 38 77 The Deadmines (Enter instance)
/way Westfall 30 85 Westfall Lighthouse
/way Elwynn Forest 33 50 Stormwind
/way Stormwind 69 31 Deeprun Tram (Enter instance)
/way Burning Steppes 21 39 Blackrock Mountain
/way Loch Modan 22 72 Valley of Kings
/way Wetlands 51 9 Thandol Span
/way Hillsbrad Foothills:Eastern Kingdom 70 47 Ravenholdt Manor
/way Western Plaguelands 52 83 Uther's Tomb
/way Western Plaguelands 45 18 Hearthglen
/way Eastern Plaguelands 75 53 Light's Hope Chapel

Kalimdor
/way Moonglade 44 47 Moonglade
/way Mount Hyjal 62 21 Nordrassil
/run TomTom:AddMFWaypoint(606,0,0.62,0.21,{title="Nordrassil"})
/way Durotar 45 10 Orgrimmar
/way Echo Isles 38 46 Echo Isles
/way Dustwallow Marsh 52 76 Onyxia's Lair
/run TomTom:AddMFWaypoint(141,0,0.52,0.76,{title="Onyxia's Lair"})
/way Tanaris 61 50 Caverns of Time
/way Uldum 72 50 Halls of Origination
/run TomTom:AddMFWaypoint(720,0,0.72,0.50,{title="Halls of Origination"})
/way Un'Goro Crater 48 9 The Shaper's Terrace
/way Silithus 33 81 The Scarab Dais
/way Feralas 48 16 The Twin Colossals

Northrend
/way Howling Fjord 61 59 Daggercap Bay
/way Dragonblight 87 51 Naxxramas (Enter instance)
/way Dragonblight 60 53 Wyrmrest Temple
/way Wintergrasp 50 16 Wintergrasp Fortress
/way Crystalsong Forest 34 37 Dalaran
/way Icecrown 53 87 The Frozen Throne (Enter instance and get to the Lich King)

Outland
/way Hellfire Peninsula 64 21 Throne of Kil'jaeden
/way Netherstorm 45 35 The Stormspire
/way Shattrath City 64 42 Shattrath City

Pandaria
/way Krasarang Wilds 72 31 Turtle Beach
/run TomTom:AddMFWaypoint(857,0,0.72,0.31,{title="Turtle Beach"})
/way Valley of the Four Winds 52 48 Sunsong Ranch
/way Vale of Eternal Blossoms 50 50 Vale of Eternal Blossoms (Anywhere in the zone)
/way Kun-Lai Summit 43 52 Mount Neverest

Cataclysm specific areas
/way Deepholm 59 59 Deathwing's Fall
/way Vashj'ir 56 73 Vashj'ir (Anywhere in the zone)

For Paste addon
/way Shadowmoon Valley:Draenor 70 50 Temple of Karabor
/way Talador 46 74 Auchindoun (Enter instance)
/way Nagrand:Draenor 73 21 Throne of the Elements
/way The Cape of Stranglethorn 35 64 Janerio's Point
/way The Cape of Stranglethorn 47 26 Battle Ring, Gurubashi Arena
/way Blasted Lands 56 47 The Dark Portal
/run TomTom:AddMFWaypoint(19,0,0.54,0.47,{title="The Dark Portal"})
/way Deadwind Pass 47 75 Karazhan (Enter instance)
/way Duskwood 77 44 Darkshire
/way Westfall 38 77 The Deadmines (Enter instance)
/way Westfall 30 85 Westfall Lighthouse
/way Elwynn Forest 33 50 Stormwind
/way Stormwind 69 31 Deeprun Tram (Enter instance)
/way Burning Steppes 21 39 Blackrock Mountain
/way Loch Modan 22 72 Valley of Kings
/way Wetlands 51 9 Thandol Span
/way Hillsbrad Foothills:Eastern Kingdom 70 47 Ravenholdt Manor
/way Western Plaguelands 52 83 Uther's Tomb
/way Western Plaguelands 45 18 Hearthglen
/way Eastern Plaguelands 75 53 Light's Hope Chapel
/way Moonglade 44 47 Moonglade
/way Mount Hyjal 62 21 Nordrassil
/run TomTom:AddMFWaypoint(606,0,0.62,0.21,{title="Nordrassil"})
/way Durotar 45 10 Orgrimmar
/way Echo Isles 38 46 Echo Isles
/way Dustwallow Marsh 52 76 Onyxia's Lair
/run TomTom:AddMFWaypoint(141,0,0.52,0.76,{title="Onyxia's Lair"})
/way Tanaris 61 50 Caverns of Time
/way Uldum 72 50 Halls of Origination
/run TomTom:AddMFWaypoint(720,0,0.72,0.50,{title="Halls of Origination"})
/way Un'Goro Crater 48 9 The Shaper's Terrace
/way Silithus 33 81 The Scarab Dais
/way Feralas 48 16 The Twin Colossals
/way Howling Fjord 61 59 Daggercap Bay
/way Dragonblight 87 51 Naxxramas (Enter instance)
/way Dragonblight 60 53 Wyrmrest Temple
/way Wintergrasp 50 16 Wintergrasp Fortress
/way Crystalsong Forest 34 37 Dalaran
/way Icecrown 53 87 The Frozen Throne (Enter instance and get to the Lich King)
/way Hellfire Peninsula 64 21 Throne of Kil'jaeden
/way Netherstorm 45 35 The Stormspire
/way Shattrath City 64 42 Shattrath City
/way Krasarang Wilds 72 31 Turtle Beach
/run TomTom:AddMFWaypoint(857,0,0.72,0.31,{title="Turtle Beach"})
/way Valley of the Four Winds 52 48 Sunsong Ranch
/way Vale of Eternal Blossoms 50 50 Vale of Eternal Blossoms (Anywhere in the zone)
/way Kun-Lai Summit 43 52 Mount Neverest
/way Deepholm 59 59 Deathwing's Fall
/way Vashj'ir 56 73 Vashj'ir (Anywhere in the zone)

Commento di KnightElf

I'm actually having fun looking for great spots in the required areas to take photos. I know the visual appeal of the photograph has no bearing on the achievement but I figured I'd at least try to take cool photos at the same time.

Commento di pat33

***** Like a good tourist: try everything :) *****

Try to get more than one achievement with it:

+Jukebox ach: Dieci tormentoni del momento
+events: collect lunar fest coins/halloween treats etc.. example: Dolcetti o scherzetti dei Regni Orientali
+Explorations achs: Esploratore universale
+Love/kill pets in every zones
A tutti gli animali di cui mi sono preso cura
A tutti gli animali che ho amato
A tutti gli animali che mi hanno voluto bene
A tutti gli animali della mia vita
Disinfestazione
+Petbattle in each zone Safari Mondiale
+Fish every zone Limnologo
+Books to read: Lettore accanito

Commento di thevix

For Moonglade, you can take the portal to Mt. Hyjal from Org/SW and take a taxi. They fixed the FP to go directly there from Nordrasil now.

Commento di Vesla

To be able to do this you first need to get the garrison mission Field Photography for a S.E.L.F.I.E. Camera.

Commento di 1449296

Really...
No crossroads...
No barrens...
i bet the designer of this achie is an ally

Commento di Imanomnom

Girls be like : 'Westfall Lighthouse'.

(Picture nr 4.)

Commento di jamesoliff

Tried a macro for using camera, taking pic and cancel but it failed

/use S.E.L.F.I.E. Camera
/cast Take Selfie
/cast Cancel S.E.L.F.I.E. Camera

Good luck to anyone that gets it working

Commento di Ayzlyn

they should have given you an achieve for getting the cam called "You're So Vain..." and then given you the title "the Vain" for getting all of the locations... but that's just me. I think they missed out

Commento di Wownomo

They misspelled Nordrassil in the achievement in-game so it's also misspelled on this page. They only use 1 "S".

Commento di Uuneya

OK, this may be a dumb question, but what is that thing on your head in the 15th screenshot? Some sort of turkey hat?

Commento di burble

They spelt Nordrassil wrong :P

Commento di simulador

For those who like the maps i made these

Kalimdor

Eastern Kingdoms

Northrend

Outland

Pandaria

Draenor

Deepholm

Commento di Shardsy

I can't get it to work, no photo registers. Using the toy .

Commento di BJJB

How do I take a S.E.L.F.I.E. for the Field Photographer Achievement when I don't have a camera ? All I have is a P.H.O.T.O.B.O.M.B. toy and NOTHING happens after I click on it * O

Commento di mikeywest

Im looking at this as a Warlords version of the Cataclysm achievement Surveying The Damage exploring the world and instead of using print screen to take a screenshot....you're using a camera to umm........take a screenshot?

Of course for people who haven't done this one for whatever reason then you might as well attempt this at the same time (2 selfies in westfall with the lighthouse and deadmines then seeing the raging chasm for the other ach)

Commento di MacTyr

Alas, the RNG has not yet deemed me or my followers worthy of this mission as of today. Hopefully I'll get the silly thing soon so I can work on the ACHIEVEMENT!

Commento di Ozzayel

OMG. I actually bothered to do most of this achievement while cringing on the inside and dying a little with each selfie. Had just the Frozen Throne to do.
Logged in today after reset and my progress is wiped. I had one left... seriously?

**EDIT**
Logged in again today and the progress re-appeared. I guess it's just a visual glitch when moving between areas sometimes.

Commento di 509392

For the Frozen throne you must get to the Lich King's throne room and get a selfie there.

Commento di 509392

For the Nax part of the achievement you need to be inside the raid

Commento di devbear

I made a video guide to this achievement here; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kccWGjIPBmM&feature=youtu.be

Commento di Jeolene

I would like to note that for Karazhan, you have to be INSIDE the raid to get it to count, I tried multiple places outside and nothing worked. Not a big deal, but I couldn't figure out why I wasn't getting credit even though I was in "Karazhan" zone.

Commento di Pneumonia

Kalimdor:
Halls of Origination - Uldum
Caverns of Time – Tanaris
The Shaper's Terrace - Un'Goro Crater
The Scarab Dais – Ruins of Ahn'Qiraj
The Twin Colossals – Feralas
Onyxia's Lair - Dustwallow Marsh
Echo Isles – Durotar
Orgrimmar – Only if you’re Horde
Nordrasil - Mount Hyjal
Moonglade – Anywhere in Moonglade

Eastern Kingdoms
Janeiro's Point - The Cape of Stranglethorn
Battle Ring (Gurubashi Arena) - The Cape of Stranglethorn
The Dark Portal - Blasted Lands
Karazhan - Deadwind Pass
Darkshire – Duskwood
Westfall Lighthouse - Westfall
The Deadmines – Westfall
Stormwind - Only if you’re Alliance
Deeprun Tram - between Stormwind and Ironforge
Blackrock Mountain - Burning Steppes
Valley of Kings - Loch Modan
Thandol Span - Bridge Between Arathi Highlands and Wetlands
Ravenholdt Manor - Hillsbrad Foothills
Uther's Tomb - Western Plaguelands
Light's Hope Chapel - Eastern Plaguelands
Hearthglen - Western Plaguelands

Outland
Throne of Kil'jaeden - Hellfire Peninsula
Shattrath City - Terokkar Forest
Throne of the Elements - Nagrand (also counts in Draenor)
The Stormspire - Netherstorm

Northrend
Wintergrasp Fortress – Wintergrasp
The Frozen Throne - Icecrown Citadel
Dalaran - Crystalsong Forest
Wyrmrest Temple - Dragonblight
Naxxramas - Dragonblight
Daggercap Bay - Howling Fjord

Cataclysm
Vashj'ir - Anywhere
Deathwing's Fall - Deepholm

Pandaria
Turtle Beach - Krasarang Wilds
Sunsong Ranch - Valley of the Four Winds
Vale of Eternal Blossoms – Anywhere
Mount Neverest - Kun-Lai Summit

Draenor
Temple of Karabor - Shadowmoon Valley
Throne of the Elements - Nagrand (also counts in Outland)
Auchindoun - Talador

Commento di lichee

Temple of Karabor does not require you to literally be inside as mentioned earlier at:
/way Talador 47.09, 72.75

I was able to take a picture and get credit while in a surrounding area of the temple. Tranquil Court to be specific.

This is from a Horde pov. If you're Alliance, Im sure you can probably get this easier.

Commento di thenixie

This achievement is accountwide - it does not need to be done on a single toon.

Commento di Scrapbookee

Nordrasil is spelled wrong in the achievement. It's actually spelled Nordrassil.

Commento di TheDru

Fun fact: You don't need to be inside the Halls of Origination instance to get the achievement. Just take one outside the ginormus pyramid.

Commento di essmene

I think it is useful to prefix the waypoints and give them a name.

/say Kalimdor - 10 items
/way Feralas 44 16 S.e.l.f.i.e.: The Twin Colossals
/way Moonglade 43 62 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Moonglade
/way Mount Hyjal 61.8 18.5 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Nordrassil
/way Orgrimmar 52 58 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Orgrimmar
/way Durotar 66 82 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Echo Isles
/way Dustwallow Marsh 51.8 76.6 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Onyxia´s Lair
/way Un'Goro Crater 81.7 49.2 S.e.l.f.i.e.: The Shaper´s Terrace
/way Tanaris 64.7 50.7 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Caverns of Time
/way Uldum 69.5 51.1 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Halls of Origination
/way Silithus 33.2 81.2 S.e.l.f.i.e.: The Scarab Dais

/say Eastern Kingdoms - 17
/way Western Plaguelands 45.2 18.1 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Hearthglen
/way Western Plaguelands 52.9 83.3 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Uther´s Tomb
/way Eastern Plaguelands 76.7 53 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Light´s Hope Chapel
/way Hillsbrad Foothills: Eastern Kingdoms 66.61, 47.45 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Ravenholdt Manor
/way Duskwood 75.4 47.6 S.e.l.f.i.e.: DarkShire
/way Arathi Highlands 40.9 91.6 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Thandol Span
/way Vashj´ir 48 41 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Vash´ir
/way Ironforge 84 52 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Deeprun Tram
/way Loch Modan 19.1 78.5 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Valley of Kings
/way Searing Gorge 40 83.8 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Blackrock Mountain
/way Stormwind 58 55 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Stormwind
/way Westfall 29.5 85 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Westfall Lighthouse
/way Westfall 44.6 73.6 S.e.l.f.i.e.: The Deadmines
/way Deadwind Pass 45.2 70.8 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Karazhan
/way Blasted Lands 54.6 51.2 S.e.l.f.i.e.: The Dark Portal
/way The Cape of Stranglethorn 46.6 22.9 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Gurubashi Arena, Pit
/way The Cape of Stranglethorn 35.3 61.2 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Janeiro´s Point

/say Outlands - 4
/way Netherstorm 44.5 34.6 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Stormspire
/way Hellfire Peninsula 62.5 19 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Throne of Kiljaeden
/way Shattrath City 55 46 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Shattrath City
/way Nagrand: Outland 61.1 21.6 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Throne of Elements

/say Northrend 6
/way Icecrown 54 84.5 S.e.l.f.i.e.: The Frozen Throne
/way Wintergrasp 49.4 20.4 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Wintergrasp Fortress
/way Dragonblight 60 56 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Wyrmrest Temple
/way Dragonblight 88.6 46.3 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Naxxramas
/way Howling Fjord 57 53 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Daggercap Bay

/say Deepholm 1
/way Deepholm 61.6 58.5 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Deathwing´s Fall

/say Pandaria 4
/way Krasarang Wilds 72 31 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Turtle Beach
/way Valley of the Four Winds 53.1 47.6 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Sunsong Ranch
/way Kun-Lai Summit 45.0 47.8 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Mount Neverest
/way Vale of Eternal Blossoms 48 53 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Valley of Eternal Blossoms

/say Draenor
/way Nagrand: Draenor 71 18 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Throne of Elements
/way Talador 44.5 73.9 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Auchidoon
/way Shadowmoon Valley: Draenor 74.6 45.2 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Temple of Karabor

Commento di minimite22

When it mentions the Throne of Kil'jaeden, it's talking about the one in Hellfire Peninsula, not the one in Tanaan Jungle. Don't waste your time like I did.

Commento di forestsage

For the Gurubashi Arena you have to be inside the PVP zone.

Commento di leighloo

How do I get the camera?

Commento di skylinkdave

The Deeprun Tram instance is now neutral territory, which makes it significantly easier for Horde toons to take a S.E.L.F.I.E. The easiest way to get in is to fly directly into the instance portal in Stormwind. You will likely get attacked by Stormwind guards, but just keep running. Once you're inside, you will no longer be flagged. You'll have to kill the guards on the way out. Mount immediately after you're no longer combat locked and fly out of town.

Commento di selkie47

Going to be Captain Obvious here but since I had one heck of a facepalm moment, I thought I'd share with you. When I go to take a screenie, I automatically hide the UI. Well, when using the selfie cam, your action bar changes (to give you a take selfie option or filters etc) so I was buzzing around getting all frustrated with a bajillion up-the-snout pics of my tauren then I bothered to look at the bar.

Brilliant. Just brilliant.

Commento di Wuatdah

It's rather shameful to see that taking all of these selfies in all of these zones only rewards you with 5 achievement points, i wish it would give us something like 50 :D

Commento di kinglui

For 5 years I didn't know how ugly my troll was until I took a selfie...

Commento di 1474787

For Horde, be assured that if you take a selfie in the Deeprun Tram while on your Alliance character, it will count towards the achievement. Those who don't want to be flagged in enemy territory do not have to be.

Commento di XceptOneAlphaX1

This is was most helpful!

Commento di jnorbut

Don't be a idiot like me and go in the Pet Battle Deadmines......d'oh.

Commento di Hogri

I just wanted to add that it is still possible to take the selfie at the Scarab Dais after defeating Sargeras and the subsequent transformation of Silithus since Ahn'Qiraj is untouched and you need to take the selfie on the dais that led to the gong.

Commento di MarLo94

~~Since the bfa pre-patch, they've updated Uther's Tomb to Path of Uther and now you're no longer able to complete the achievement.~~

Commento di Tattooedenvy

great guide got mine today and thought i would share one of the best shots of the day https://imgur.com/4y2U4wT

Commento di Phnemonic

For those who are confused about Silithus and can`t do the selfie there, you just need to switch from new Silithus to the old one from Zidormi, he is located by the enterence of Silithus: coordinates 78.7 , 21.8. He will bring you to the old Silithus and you will be able to do the selfie.

Commento di 12416

To get The Scarab Dais in Silithus you have to switch the zone to what i was before the wound. Rhonormu who is standing on the dais can do it for you.

Commento di gundam1945

Don't forget to port back to the original Silithus before taking photograph. I spent 15 minutes figureing out if it's bugged.

Commento di Lughnasadh

For The Scarab Dais - You must take the pic in pre-Argus Silithus

/way Silithus 33 81 The Scarab Dais

Commento di DFrost451

Just finally got around to working on my Field Photographer achievement and made an interesting discovery. Apparently the Wounding of the World didn't just make the gong disappear from the Scarab Dais; you also cannot get credit for this achievement in the present. I tried taking a selfie in multiple locations and only got credit after talking to Rhonormu to go back in time to before the events at the end of Legion. I hope this is useful for anyone who's been putting this off as long as I have.

Commento di 1947146

For The Deadmines, you do have to walk down into the dungeon itself to get credit. I tried cheating and going into the pet battle version of the dungeon but it does not award credit.

Someone else noted that the back entrance up the hill should work as well, as long as you're inside.

Also, for the Thandol Span, you do need to be in the old area; if you're phased into the warfront you can talk to Zidormi or just cross over onto the wetlands side!

Commento di pauloribas

Was doing it today (curr.patch 8.1.5) and it appears that to make The Scarab Dais screenshot count you have to talk to Rhonormu and travel back in time to Silithus before the wound.

Commento di Chipinators

Fixed some of the zone names from essmene's list so there shouldn't be any Paste issues

/way Feralas:Kalimdor 44 16 S.e.l.f.i.e.: The Twin Colossals
/way Moonglade:Kalimdor 43 62 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Moonglade
/way Mount Hyjal:Kalimdor 61.8 18.5 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Nordrassil
/way Orgrimmar 52 58 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Orgrimmar
/way Durotar:Kalimdor 66 82 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Echo Isles
/way Dustwallow Marsh:Kalimdor 51.8 76.6 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Onyxia´s Lair
/way Un'Goro Crater:Kalimdor 81.7 49.2 S.e.l.f.i.e.: The Shaper´s Terrace
/way Tanaris:Kalimdor 64.7 50.7 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Caverns of Time
/way Uldum:Kalimdor 69.5 51.1 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Halls of Origination
/way Silithus:Kalimdor 33.2 81.2 S.e.l.f.i.e.: The Scarab Dais (PAST ZONE)

/way Western Plaguelands:Eastern Kingdoms 45.2 18.1 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Hearthglen
/way Western Plaguelands:Eastern Kingdoms 52.9 83.3 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Uther´s Tomb
/way Eastern Plaguelands:Eastern Kingdoms 76.7 53 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Light´s Hope Chapel
/way Hillsbrad Foothills:Eastern Kingdoms 66.61, 47.45 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Ravenholdt Manor
/way Duskwood:Eastern Kingdoms 75.4 47.6 S.e.l.f.i.e.: DarkShire
/way Arathi Highlands:Eastern Kingdoms 40.9 91.6 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Thandol Span (PAST ZONE)
/way Vashj´ir:Eastern Kingdoms 48 41 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Vash´ir
/way Ironforge:Eastern Kingdoms 84 52 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Deeprun Tram
/way Loch Modan:Eastern Kingdoms 19.1 78.5 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Valley of Kings
/way Searing Gorge:Eastern Kingdoms 40 83.8 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Blackrock Mountain
/way Stormwind City:Eastern Kingdoms 58 55 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Stormwind
/way Westfall:Eastern Kingdoms 29.5 85 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Westfall Lighthouse
/way Westfall:Eastern Kingdoms 44.6 73.6 S.e.l.f.i.e.: The Deadmines
/way Deadwind Pass:Eastern Kingdoms 45.2 70.8 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Karazhan
/way Blasted Lands:Eastern Kingdoms 54.6 51.2 S.e.l.f.i.e.: The Dark Portal
/way The Cape of Stranglethorn 46.6 22.9 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Gurubashi Arena, Pit
/way The Cape of Stranglethorn 35.3 61.2 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Janeiro´s Point

/way Netherstorm 44.5 34.6 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Stormspire
/way Hellfire Peninsula 62.5 19 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Throne of Kiljaeden
/way Shattrath City 55 46 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Shattrath City
/way Nagrand:Outland 61.1 21.6 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Throne of Elements

/way Icecrown:Northrend 54 84.5 S.e.l.f.i.e.: The Frozen Throne
/way Wintergrasp:Northrend 49.4 20.4 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Wintergrasp Fortress
/way Dragonblight:Northrend 60 56 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Wyrmrest Temple
/way Dragonblight:Northrend 88.6 46.3 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Naxxramas
/way Howling Fjord:Northrend 57 53 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Daggercap Bay

/way Deepholm 61.6 58.5 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Deathwing´s Fall

/way Krasarang Wilds 72 31 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Turtle Beach
/way Valley of the Four Winds 53.1 47.6 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Sunsong Ranch
/way Kun-Lai Summit 45.0 47.8 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Mount Neverest
/way Vale of Eternal Blossoms 48 53 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Valley of Eternal Blossoms

/way Nagrand:Draenor 71 18 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Throne of Elements
/way Talador 44.5 73.9 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Auchidoon
/way Shadowmoon Valley:Draenor 74.6 45.2 S.e.l.f.i.e.: Temple of Karabor

Commento di GeertJan

a Fotocamera S.E.L.F.I.E. is a reward from Motore, azione!.
For the Frozen Throne part of Fotografo professionista:

/way Icecrown 53 87 Enter Icecrown Citadel

In the Lower Citadel, you kill (1) Sire Ossamorte and (2) Dama Soffiamorte
In the Rampart of skulls, you do the (3) Icecrown Gunship Battle
In Deathbringer's Rise you kill (4) Araldo della Morte Faucisaure
In The Upper Reaches you kill (5) Panzaguasta and use Valvola di Rilascio del Gas. kill (6) Facciamarcia and use the Valvola di Rilascio della Melma.That open up the way to your next target. Kill (7) Professor Putricidio. Kill (8) the Blood Prince Council: Principe Valanar, Principe Keleseth and Principe Taldaram. Move up to The Royal Quarters.
In The Royal Quarter's you kill (9) Regina del Sangue Lana'thel. Move down to The Upper Reaches.
In The Upper Reaches you heal (10) Valithria Vagasogni, move south and take the elevator downto The Frost Queen's Lair.
In The Frost Queen's Lair, move north and kill 8 waves of spiders. A gate opens to the north. Kill (11) Sindragosa. Move East to the elevator and take the elevator down to The Upper Reaches.
A translocator is activated by your kill credit. Find it in the middle of the spire. Step on it, and you are translocated to The Frozen Throne.
In The Frozen Throne, you can take a selfie for Fotografo professionista and kill (12) Re dei Lich.

Commento di nihilin

I'm attempting to do this achievement in Patch 8.3, but I am not getting credit for Vale of Eternal Blossoms. Is there a way to go to a previous version of the Vale to complete this step?

Commento di Panda1lili

For Karazhan, seemed to be bugged somehow ... I took several selfies inside and outside of the DJ and nothing so far ... Help ?

Commento di Fingahz

Make sure you speak to Zidormi in Vale of Eternal Blossoms (80.48, 31.95) or else it won't register.

Commento di whiterune14

Not sure if it has been said yet but phase matters. trying to take a picture in the vale of eternal blossoms with the n'zoth phase in place and I couldn't get credit I had to go to the original phase to take the picture

Commento di deepspace8

I didn't usually go out of my way to do these selfies. For most of them, I waited until I was in the zone. Get the HandyNotes addon and it will tell you on the map when you need to take a selfie for the area.

All this and you only get five points for the achievement. It seems like it should be more.

Commento di Challio

I don't know if this will ever be seen, but I did this today as a guild event and I just wanna say it's a long process. But incredibly fun at the end! (Bring a mage)

Commento di arcaynelion

The Scarab Dais is a golden gong on a platform to the right of the entrance to AQ: The Old Kingdom. It's just to the right of the mob Setis. Setis

It is not located in either of the instances, but rather outside of the entire instance area. It's in southern Silithus and you might have an easier time finding it if you look out for Alliance banners. It's to the right facing the very first entrance to the Old Kingdom area.

Commento di Scrimshaw

Pared down the previous list, only trouble is Vashj'ir. As Alliance, take the portal in SW and take the selfie right where you port in, done.

/way Feralas 44, 16 The Twin Colossals
/way Moonglade 43, 62 Moonglade
/way Mount Hyjal 61.8, 18.5 Nordrassil
/way Orgrimmar 52, 58 Orgrimmar
/way Durotar 66, 82 Echo Isles
/way Dustwallow Marsh 51.8, 76.6 Onyxia´s Lair
/way Un'Goro Crater 81.7, 49.2 The Shaper´s Terrace
/way Tanaris 64.7, 50.7 Caverns of Time
/way Uldum:Kalimdor 69.5, 51.1 Halls of Origination
/way Silithus 33.2, 81.2 The Scarab Dais
/way Western Plaguelands 45.2, 18.1 Hearthglen
/way Western Plaguelands 52.9, 83.3 Uther´s Tomb
/way Eastern Plaguelands 76.7, 53 Light´s Hope Chapel
/way Hillsbrad Foothills 66.61, 47.45 Ravenholdt Manor
/way Duskwood 75.4, 47.6 DarkShire
/way Arathi Highlands 40.9, 91.6 Thandol Span
/way Vashj´ir:Eastern Kingdoms 48, 41Vashj´ir
/way Ironforge 84, 52 Deeprun Tram
/way Loch Modan 19.1, 78.5 Valley of Kings
/way Searing Gorge 40, 83.8 Blackrock Mountain
/way Stormwind 58, 55 Stormwind
/way Westfall 30.6, 86.2 Westfall Lighthouse
/way Westfall 40.6, 83 The Deadmines
/way Deadwind Pass 46.9, 74.8 Karazhan (in the raid)
/way Blasted Lands 52.8, 51.8 The Dark Portal
/way The Cape of Stranglethorn 46.2, 25.4 Gurubashi Arena, Pit
/way The Cape of Stranglethorn 35.3, 61.2 Janeiro´s Point
/way Netherstorm 44.5, 34.6 Stormspire
/way Hellfire Peninsula 62.5, 19 Throne of Kiljaeden
/way Shattrath City 55, 46 Shattrath City
/way Nagrand: Outland 61.1, 21.6 Throne of Elements
/way Icecrown 54, 84.5 The Frozen Throne
/way Wintergrasp 49.4, 20.4 Wintergrasp Fortress
/way Dragonblight 60, 56 Wyrmrest Temple
/way Dragonblight 88.6, 46.3 Naxxramas
/way Howling Fjord 57, 53 Daggercap Bay
/way Deepholm 61.6, 58.5 Deathwing´s Fall
/way Krasarang Wilds 72, 31 Turtle Beach
/way Valley of the Four Winds 53.1, 47.6 Sunsong Ranch
/way Kun-Lai Summit 45.0, 47.8 Mount Neverest
/way Vale of Eternal Blossoms:Pandaria 48, 53 Valley of Eternal Blossoms
/way Nagrand: Draenor 71, 18 Throne of Elements
/way Talador 44.5, 73.9 Auchidoon
/way Shadowmoon Valley: Draenor 74.6, 45.2 Temple of Karabor

Commento di Gazzad1

I dont think any selfie locations are currently working - Stormwind & deeprun tram seem bugged - the new patch is out soon so maybe that's the reason. Cant get it to recognise a photo in the tram, on the tram at ironforge or stormwind, outside the tram, in the station, of the tram or bloody anywhere. Typical kind of achievement blizzard sets that can't actually be completed.

Commento di CoaFeanaro

Got to love how the camera's like a real life selfie camera and considerably uglifies your character <3

Commento di Saibot17

Updated previous lists with UiMapIDs.

/way #41 72, 45 Dalaran
/way #69 44, 16 The Twin Colossals
/way #80 43, 62 Moonglade
/way #198 61.8, 18.5 Nordrassil
/way #85 52, 58 Orgrimmar
/way #1 66, 82 Echo Isles
/way #70 51.8, 76.6 Onyxia´s Lair
/way #78 81, 45 The Shaper´s Terrace
/way #71 64.7, 50.7 Caverns of Time
/way #249 69.5, 51.1 Halls of Origination
/way #81 33.2, 81.2 The Scarab Dais
/way #22 45.2, 18.1 Hearthglen
/way #22 52.9, 83.3 Uther´s Tomb
/way #23 76.7, 53 Light´s Hope Chapel
/way #25 66.61, 47.45 Ravenholdt Manor
/way #47 75.4, 47.6 DarkShire
/way #14 40.9, 91.6 Thandol Span
/way #203 48, 41 Vashj´ir
/way #87 84, 52 Deeprun Tram
/way #48 19.1, 78.5 Valley of Kings
/way #32 40, 83.8 Blackrock Mountain
/way #84 58, 55 Stormwind
/way #52 30.6, 86.2 Westfall Lighthouse
/way #52 40.6, 83 The Deadmines
/way #42 46.9, 74.8 Karazhan (in the raid)
/way #17 52.8, 51.8 The Dark Portal
/way #210 46.2, 25.4 Gurubashi Arena, inside Pit
/way #210 35.3, 61.2 Janeiro´s Point
/way #109 44.5, 34.6 Stormspire
/way #100 62.5, 19 Throne of Kiljaeden
/way #111 55, 46 Shattrath City
/way #107 61.1, 21.6 Throne of Elements
/way #41 72, 45 Dalaran
/way #118 54, 84.5 The Frozen Throne (inside Raid)
/way #123 49.4, 20.4 Wintergrasp Fortress
/way #115 60, 56 Wyrmrest Temple
/way #115 88.6, 46.3 Naxxramas (inside Raid)
/way #117 61, 62 Daggercap Bay
/way #207 61.6, 58.5 Deathwing´s Fall
/way #418 72, 31 Turtle Beach
/way #376 53.1, 47.6 Sunsong Ranch
/way #379 45.0, 47.8 Mount Neverest
/way #390 48, 53 Valley of Eternal Blossoms
/way #550 71, 18 Throne of Elements
/way #535 44.5, 73.9 Auchidoon
/way #539 74.6, 45.2 Temple of Karabor

Commento di Aary

Halls of Origination Must be the Cata Version, Talk to Zidormi if you are in the BFA version!

Commento di Xuper

Trial Account , lvl 20 here , For Shaper's Terrace in Un'Goro Crater , Talk to Sonda di Un'Goro

For The Scarab Dais , This should be old time , just talk to Rhonormu , you don't need to talk Zidormi at Silithus

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	Antro di Onyxia (1)
	Portale Oscuro (1)
	Capo Janeiro (1)
	Tempio di Karabor (1)
	Valsalda (1)
	Karazhan (1)
	Miniere della Morte (1)
	Tempio della Lega dei Draghi (1)
	Nordrassil (1)
	Caduta di Alamorte (1)
	La Terrazza del Modellatore (1)
	Vashj'ir (1)
	Faro delle Marche Occidentali (1)
	Colossi Gemelli (1)
	Radaluna (1)
	Caverne del Tempo (1)
	Altare dello Scarabeo (1)
	Isole dell'Eco (1)
	Baia delle Daghe (1)
	Tenuta Cantasole (1)
	Auchindoun (Draenor) (1)
	Roccavento e Orgrimmar (1)
	Scatto Selfie (1)
	Scatto Selfie (1)

	Trono di Ghiaccio (1)
	Dalaran (1)
	Vallata dell'Eterna Primavera (1)
	Tram degli Abissi (1)
	Viadotto di Thandol (1)
	Terreno di Scontro, Arena dei Gurubashi (1)
	Naxxramas (1)
	Shattrath (Terre Esterne) (1)
	Cappella della Luce (1)
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	Trono degli Elementi (1)
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	Guglia Tempestosa (1)
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	Sepolcro di Uther (1)
	Trono di Kil'jaeden (1)
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