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Commento di 19203

What about Bears?

Commento di 26500

Blizzard has announced, there will be new tanking gear for druids in 2.1.0 It can be another dangeon set for exemple:). And one more thing: we still dont know the whole stats of this new Tier 6 set. These two above are only bonuses.

Commento di 12872

i cant help but think the 2 piece is very poor for pve. I mangle maybe once for every 3 shreds.

Commento di 34000

Not sure why a PvE dps set has intellect on it, the only thing feral druids are going to be doing is shape shifted damage/tanking and maybe the rare innervate/remove curse, neither of which are intensive on mana.

Commento di 45411

Int is good for popping out and using tranq on top of that if you are a stickler on dps you can shift out of catform and shift back in to gain another 40nrg to maximize your dps.

Commento di 45411

Also how is this not a tanking set every peice has agi and what is it like 14agi for 1% dodge defense is worthless for druids.

Commento di 25321

uhm did anybody notice that this set gives 11332 armor in dire bear form and that also the stamina gets increased to 239. good amount of agi and strength meaning you also get extra threat from damage. normally you wouldnt pick these items as a feral tank but i think the combined armor, stam and good agi/str make it a fine set.

Commento di 45579

This is a good set for tanking. Sure there is single pieces out there which might be better. But take a look at the armor of this set. thats preatty good and having mangle a bit cheaper in the start of a fight make u snap agro faster so i would say that that is still a tanking thingi.

So with som + defence and stamina gems on this set, some armor rings, and a nice back u should be readdy to go :D

And a good thing with this set is that i normalt have bear tanking gear and cat dps gear.. and by having this set i would moust likely use this set for both meening that if i have to reque tank i might still have som armor and hp to do that with.

Commento di Kaitain

Yes, this is a very very good tanking set. It has an insane amount of armor, tons of stamina, and enough agility that your dodge isn't completely gimped. As for the Intellect on it, it seems like there will be no druid set without a small amount of int on it. Hardly any of this set's stat budget is going on int, it's just there to provide the absolute basic mana utility all druids need. I know you don't need any int to stand at the front of a raid and get pounded by bosses, but that isn't the ONLY you ever do, right? Having no int at all would be annoying.

Commento di 19583

The set bonuses are godly. I don't see how anyone can say otherwise. 2 piece is equivalent to 5 talent points and makes a massive difference in PvE (both tanking and DPS) and tanking. 4 piece...well, they may be lesser used moves, but they are hardly useless either. Way to go blizzard.

Commento di 49143

when i dps i tend more toward crit than ap, for the double combo points and extra damage on crits talent. This set doesnt have much crit/agi and fuck all +hit, which is a must to do decent damage on raid bosses. The set bonus also is shit for dps, mangle should only be used for the debuff, and in a raid there's often two or more feral druids, so that halfs the effectiveness of the set bonus pretty much, or if one is tanking and the other is dpsing the same mob then its useless. The t4 bonus procs 2 or 3 times a minute and is imo alot better.

Feel free to disagree with my preference for crit but, the lack of +hit def makes this a shit 'raid' dps set

Commento di steakneggs

Yeah, I've had a hard time finding what a feral druid needs against a lvl73 boss. I guess I'll just assume the 8% or so (I can't say I notice any misses really). And yeah, you're right. Getting down trash isn't that big a deal... you should definitely be gearing for boss fights where high dps can make a difference in loots vs repair bill.

Energy seems to get off of the even energy ticks (due to shred being 42, and mob dodges not using the full cost) so I'll find myself able to Mangle instead of Shred. That doesn't always happen, but I feel that as a feral, I still have to do as much dmg as possible to justify my spot (might all be in my head though). But, I do like the T4 bonus a bit better. It's universally helpful to whatever play style you have, and I think that keeps everyone happy.

I do think strength is good for druids, but I think agility is a bit overlooked for druids sometimes. Our damage comes from specials, so AP is important to get those base damages up. But our crit dmg potential is pretty nice too. Which leads me to...

...a couple raid dps questions for you. I've taken both Feral Aggression and Predatory Instincts, so those should make my ferocious bite crits hit for +26% (110%*115%) more than normal. I also have about 2400 AP and 33% crit (raid buffed) and have (and try and use) Idol of Feral Shadows when applicable.

1) I typically do Ravage, FFF, Mangle, Shred, Shred, FB. Then keep Mangle and FFF up and Shred to 4/5 CPs then FB. Is there a better attack pattern?
2) Because of how much FB crits for (I can get 3800 on normal mobs and have seen 4600 on shade) I rarely use rip (I think my 5pt rip does 2100). I know it's supposed to be better/more consistent, but the numbers are just too good to ignore :). Plus I think because so much of Kara is bleed immune, I'm use to FBs. Any thoughts?

Commento di 45411

I don't know how your rip does 2100 mine ticks for about 700 every 2 seconds and it doesn't burn up extra nrg if i do have any i hope you have mangle on when you do rip them

Commento di 49143

The benefit of rip is it ignores armour and so is very useful against 'plate' mobs, even against cloth it generally out damages FB in the long run, it may be something to do with mangle running out, or perhaps when you tested it you had pounced the mob and were watching the wrong bleed effect?

I think with 2.4k ap rip should be ticking for around about 550 every 2 secs, so 3.3k damage from a full dot. Compare this to 3.8k crit on normal trash, working in pred instincts thats about 1.8k normal FB or so? So with 33% crit chance, then on average your FB hit for (1800 +(3.8k-1.8k)*0.33) 2.45k, so youd be losing out 850ish damage. On aran, its about 2.7k average so still a bit below. Ofc on trash you wont always get time to rip and so you should use your own judgement based on the mobs health when you have your combo points.

Im not too sure about the usefulness of ravage its around about 50% more energy than shred and remember it doesnt get the mangle bonus to make it more worthwhile, i tihnk it crits around 3.2k or so when im messing about on critters with no armour :P, so it may just be better dps to open right off with mangle and start shredding.

Ive looked into the +hit a bit more and i think +8 is prbly pretty good, i think anymore +hit would rly be for our white damage as it has a higher miss chance(?) dont quote me on that tho ;), if it does have a higher miss chance then to decide on a good number youd need to look at the % sustained damage it makes up

Commento di 26387

Video of all Tier 6 armor sets in action: http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=97.0

Commento di 52755

What you seem to be doing is comparing FB to eviserate which is not correct because FB is like a combo of eviserate and excute cause it uses all your energy (converts to dmg) along with your combo points. And unless you like waiting for energy its not the smart choice to use unless your on quick trash mobs. Especally in this set with the extra 5 energy off mangle, it makes it great for a mangle, shred, rip, rotation that maximizes energy if your using FB every time you use it on a long fight (unless your generating combo points way to fast) your taking a dip in dps cause you can no longer apply mangle or shred. Another thing to consider is that because rip is a dot you could apply it right before you have to back out and maximize dps because many boss fights force you to sometimes just get out of the way. Anyway thats my 2 cents.

Commento di 50864

1) very cool +armor
2) good stats but +spirit could be too in it. anyway good stats still
3) socket bonuses very good for dire bear form. but +hit imo better
4) nice set bonuses for cat form. but not best set bonuses for bear form imo. %15 threat very nice. but i dreamed for something else. anyway good set.
5) only one slot has equip : +hit. all slots could have it would be great
All in all very very good feral set. but not perfect imo.
am i asking for too much :)

Commento di orsen

actually 3152 armor goes to 17336 in dire bear form with thick hide talent

Commento di 23311

One, you only need about 7% hit to function in a raid as a Feral Druid. And you can EASILY get that even with the low amount of hit on this set. To suggest the lack of hit is a problem is retarded.

Two, you can easily use this set for DPS and tanking without missing a beat, provided that you can make up for the lack of Defense on this set on other items. The fact is that we need to hit 415 with SotF to become uncrittable, but that number is so low as to be easily attainable with careful and intelligent gear choices.

This set makes me want BT and Hyjal like nobody's business. I do agree that the T4 2-piece is incredible, and will be hard to give up, but other than that, who in their right mind can possibly have any major grievance with Thunderheart?

Commento di 58075

So by and large, if it bleeds, then Rip > Shred. There are very few exceptions to this rule (any non-bleeders, mobs that have triggered-effects that increase damage taken upon themselves, etc), but the general usage of rage and AP is best spent on Rip over Ferocious Bite. Also, since Rip can't crit, it goes without saying that higher AP druids should be spending their combo points on Rip instead of FB.

Commento di 10128

If I got this I would probably respec once just for the heck of it with 5 points in improved ferocious bite, just to see how much damage it can do ^^

Anyways, +15% damage on Rip is godly for pure DPS, and the Swipe bonus is also excellent.

The first bonus is kinda crappy though :(

Nowhere near as good as T4 or T5 2-pieces bonus (20 energy proc and instant heal when deshifting).

Commento di 36059

The first bonus is kinda crappy though :(

After having own two pieces of the t6 myself, that 2-piece set bonus is godly for my bear tanking, esp. if you have the right set of items to go along with it.
* Ashtongue Talisman of Equilibrium
* Idol of the White Stag

Commento di 85388

After looking the set over, I gotta say, the set is not as godly as everyone says it is. The bonus armor and stats are great for tanking, but the 2pc and 4pc set bonuses are far from amazing.

The extra threat from the 2pc bonus is nice, but since the CD on mangle is what, 5 seconds, I rarely use mangle when I'm tanking. I throw one in every now and again, but mostly I'm spamming Lacerate and Maul. I can hit with Lacerate three or four times before Mangle's CD is up.

The 4pc bonus is all but useless for tanking. I only use swipe if I have 2 or three mobs on me, but only to keep threat up. Damage is not important for tanks, we just gotta keep the mobs occupied while our DPSers burn them down. So adding Dmg to Swipe is a bad choice imo.

I really don't understand why Blizzard insists on making a set try to balance out bear and cat. I'm doing two totally different things while in Cat and Bear form, and thus I should have a set for each. One set for both just isn't going to cut it in the long run. With some good sockets, maybe. But it seems to me that this set is much more useful in Cat form for DPS, than in Bear form for tanking.

Commento di 69121

Mangle should generally be used every time its off cooldown for tanking... and, at BT level gear, swipe generates more aggro than spamming lacerate does(keep a 5 stack up yes, but only refresh it every 13 seconds or so).

Not sure about godly, but... both bonuses help increase threat.

Btw, math can be found on ej's site.

Commento di 107390

This is the best set ever for feral druids. I was messing around with it on a private server and either these people couldn't play a mage to save their lives or i can essentially out dps the biggest dps class in the game. The margin wasn't even close. Someones damage meter showed me at 24% of a 23 man raid and the next highest was a mage at 14%. Any thoughts?

Commento di mojojojo101

Tbh i hope they add another 1 or 2 set bonuses to this set to reflect new gear from sunwell

Commento di 129739

I'm not sure why this wasn't pointed out earlier...but...

as far as the 2pc bonus not being very good from a DPS POV, no one mentions that having Mangle cost 5 less energy allows you to Shred faster.

This isn't too crucial from the opener but what about after you powershift?

Powershift starts you with 20 energy, timing it right should give you 40 very quickly, but you use all that to refresh Mangle. Then you have to wait 6 seconds to get 60 energy just to use your 42 energy Shred. With a 35 energy mangle you only have to wait 4 seconds due to the leftover energy.

I mean, this isn't earthshattering, but in an environment of min/maxing this is significant, no?

Commento di Corbon

According to http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=4531.0, all T6 belts, bracers and feet with the exception of Prot Warrior and Prot Pala pieces will have their stamina removed and the remaining stats adjusted accordingly. Reason? 4 x S3 and 4 X T6 being "overpowered" in Arena it seems. This is an especially retarded change when looking at this very set and the Warlock set.

Commento di Corbon

Well, apparently Blizzard has changed their minds and put some stamina on all sets back.

Commento di Dalus

Chestpiece drops off Illidan Stormrage in Black Temple (End boss)

Gloves drop off Azgalor in Mount Hyjal (Fourth boss)

Helm drops off Archimonde in Mount Hyjal (End boss)

Leggings drop off The Illidari Council in Black Temple (Eighth boss)

Shoulders drop off Mother Shahraz in Black Temple (Seventh boss)

Bracers drop off Kalecgos in Sunwell Plateau (First boss)

Belt drops off Brutallus in Sunwell Plateau (Second boss)

Boots drop off Felmyst in Sunwell Plateau (Third boss)

Commento di lillbrorsan

Head token - Archimonde - Mount Hyjal
Gloves token - Azgalor - Mount Hyjal
Leggings token - Illidari Council - Black Temple
Shoulder token - Mother Shahraz - Black Temple
Chest token - Illidan Stormrage - Black Temple
Bracers token - Kalecgos - Sunwell Plateau
Belt token - Brutallus - Sunwell Plateau
Boots token - Felmyst - Sunwell Plateau

Commento di 99008

Now that the first kills on Eredar Twins are in, it has been shown that one token (compared to the usual three) for boots drops off of the twins. Blizzard has not stated whether or not it is intended, but it should be known that currently Felmyst is not the only way to get the boots.

It works just like some of the Naxx bosses did, Gluth being the best example. He could drop any token for I think it was 3 different slots.

Commento di Aadramelekh

Some people said that the set bonuses are not worth that much for tanking. I say they do. And that from my own experience in not only Black Temple and Mount Hyjal, but also in Sunwell Plateau (my guild and I have started to try and bring Kalecgos down for a few days now). Fully raid buffed and with a decent amount of hit rating and expertise (I am using hit rating food and Brooch of Deftness combined with Shard of Contempt for a total of 88 hit rating and 16 expertise skill), I am holding a TPS value of around 1100-1200, with 1400+ spikes. If the mob is also sundered by a nice warrior, then i can get some 2000+ mangle crits to generate an instant 2600+ threat. That is in single target tanking. In AoE tanking this set also offers the +15% DMG to swipe. That might not seem much but when I see swipes critting at 600+ on so many targets, it's threat generation heaven for me. I can hold even more than three targets now (although 3 target AoE tanking is the feral druid's best ability) and be almost sure they won't go away from me.

Also I would like to add one more thing: wearing 4 pieces of T6 gemmed and enchanted for tanking, and in full tank gear, I have noticed that my Rips in cat form (when I am not required to tank) can go up to 700+ damage per tick => 4200+ total DMG. Imagine what the set bonus of 15% to Rip can do with a full DPS gear (at 4200+ passive AP raid buffed, which can hop to more than 5500 AP when DPS items proc simultaneously)! And as a note, in that same tank gear and raid buffed, I have witnessed 4300+ 5 CP Ferocious Bite crits.

This set is great for both DPS and tanking, excelling in mitigation/avoidance/threat generation if gemmend and enchanted for tanking, but also shining in AP/crit and set bonuses when gemmed and enchanted for DPS.

Commento di voinbobar

With the recent changes to swipe the 4 pieces bonus in even greater.
Edit: let's not forget FB too :) Awesome!

Commento di tehlord

did the set + armor get nerfed in 3.0.2?

Commento di 204012

i think this set should be a shaman set. It looks more like a totem themed set to me

Commento di villainae

One has to wonder why Blizzard did not remove the intellect from these items (and other feral druid items from BC) and replace it with agility when these were re-itemized in Cataclysm.

Commento di Zarasz

It seems the legendary tank cloak is the most suitable for this set. The one from thralls cata questline isnt bad either.

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